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I also bought the eufy home security system and it's pretty trash but I'm in it now. The video doorbell is solid to be fair but the whole thing is so slow I que

by sanex 1y ago

I also bought the eufy home security system and it's pretty trash but I'm in it now. The video doorbell is solid to be fair but the whole thing is so slow I question it being local. I think you really need to separate the brands because the power banks are still the best.

wokkel 1y ago
Got a lot of recalls going though.
onli 1y ago
They were caught lying about it being local, https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencrypted-scandal-1850059207 https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencry..., so your concern is not unreasonable.
Workaccount2 1y ago
The single most important thing to understand about Chinese brands is that in China, party members sit on the board of these companies. And those party members can dictate action as they see fit. You can take them to the kangaroo court if you like, but people generally don't voluntarily waste time. People think that China is USA 2.0. It's not. It's a communist state with a single ruling party with unilateral control over every aspect of the country. They have capitalistic facets because communism doesn't work on it's own, but trust that the authority system is totalitarian, and if they want spyware in your product while you lie about it, there will be spyware in your product and you will lie about it.
- alias_neo 1y ago
  We've already heard that there are kill switches in Solar PV equipment[0], networks with Chinese brands are to be considered compromised[1], I'm certain we can assume the same for Chinese brand EVs having remote control and/or kill switches. It's interesting to see the non-response from governments over it so far; though there was recently rumours of an MoD ban on Chinese EVs but that seems to have been shot down[2] so far. [0]https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill-switch-components-found-in-solar-power-infrastructure https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill... [1]https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-must-now-assume-their-networks-are-compromised-after-salt-typhoon-breach https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-m... [2]https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-chinese-electric-vehicles/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-ch...
  - RUnconcerned 1y ago
    Whereas devices made in the west are, of course, entirely trustworthy[0][1]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwal... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
    - alias_neo 1y ago
      The problem isn't trustworthiness, we know very well what's going on here, "privacy not included", the issue is that if another nation that's not friendly to you controls huge swathes of your infrastructure, they could use that access to cripple you should a "disagreement" occur. With the kind of infrastructure that holds Chinese technology in the west, they could shut down entire power grids, bring roads to a stand still, shut down entire countries worth of networking, cellular networks and worse. This is leaving out the surveillance and data collection potential as it's not the topic at hand. To be clear, my issue isn't with China specifically, but as a westerner, they're not a friendly nation (to mine). The same of course applies the other way around, and I can imagine a scenario of other citizens sitting in their respective nation having this same conversation about western technology.
      - RUnconcerned 1y ago
        As an european, the US doesn't appear to be very friendly to me, or rather, their friendliness is conditional on the EU acting like a vassal state (or vassal federation). The current US administration doesn't even pretend like that's not the case, but past administrations acted like this as well. China seems very much like a more straightforward and predictable trading partner.
        alias_neo 1y ago
        Trade isn't really the concern I'm implying here. US isn't likely to initiate a "special military operation" without our (European's) borders, but China could certainly get ideas from a more local aggressor. Whether or not that's likely is another story, but it's possibly a non-zero chance and handing over control of critical infrastructure should be a concern.

by sanex 1y ago

wokkel 1y ago

Got a lot of recalls going though.

onli 1y ago

They were caught lying about it being local, https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencrypted-scandal-1850059207 https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencry..., so your concern is not unreasonable.

Workaccount2 1y ago

The single most important thing to understand about Chinese brands is that in China, party members sit on the board of these companies. And those party members can dictate action as they see fit. You can take them to the kangaroo court if you like, but people generally don't voluntarily waste time. People think that China is USA 2.0. It's not. It's a communist state with a single ruling party with unilateral control over every aspect of the country. They have capitalistic facets because communism doesn't work on it's own, but trust that the authority system is totalitarian, and if they want spyware in your product while you lie about it, there will be spyware in your product and you will lie about it.

alias_neo 1y ago
We've already heard that there are kill switches in Solar PV equipment[0], networks with Chinese brands are to be considered compromised[1], I'm certain we can assume the same for Chinese brand EVs having remote control and/or kill switches. It's interesting to see the non-response from governments over it so far; though there was recently rumours of an MoD ban on Chinese EVs but that seems to have been shot down[2] so far. [0]https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill-switch-components-found-in-solar-power-infrastructure https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill... [1]https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-must-now-assume-their-networks-are-compromised-after-salt-typhoon-breach https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-m... [2]https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-chinese-electric-vehicles/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-ch...
- RUnconcerned 1y ago
  Whereas devices made in the west are, of course, entirely trustworthy[0][1]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwal... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
  - alias_neo 1y ago
    The problem isn't trustworthiness, we know very well what's going on here, "privacy not included", the issue is that if another nation that's not friendly to you controls huge swathes of your infrastructure, they could use that access to cripple you should a "disagreement" occur. With the kind of infrastructure that holds Chinese technology in the west, they could shut down entire power grids, bring roads to a stand still, shut down entire countries worth of networking, cellular networks and worse. This is leaving out the surveillance and data collection potential as it's not the topic at hand. To be clear, my issue isn't with China specifically, but as a westerner, they're not a friendly nation (to mine). The same of course applies the other way around, and I can imagine a scenario of other citizens sitting in their respective nation having this same conversation about western technology.
    - RUnconcerned 1y ago
      As an european, the US doesn't appear to be very friendly to me, or rather, their friendliness is conditional on the EU acting like a vassal state (or vassal federation). The current US administration doesn't even pretend like that's not the case, but past administrations acted like this as well. China seems very much like a more straightforward and predictable trading partner.
      - alias_neo 1y ago
        Trade isn't really the concern I'm implying here. US isn't likely to initiate a "special military operation" without our (European's) borders, but China could certainly get ideas from a more local aggressor. Whether or not that's likely is another story, but it's possibly a non-zero chance and handing over control of critical infrastructure should be a concern.