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My Eufy (by Anker) robovac is such a piece of shit that it sullied the Anker brand for me. I used to expect anything they made to be good by default. Now, it's

My Eufy (by Anker) robovac is such a piece of shit that it sullied the Anker brand for me. I used to expect anything they made to be good by default. Now, it's the opposite.

sanex 1y ago
I also bought the eufy home security system and it's pretty trash but I'm in it now. The video doorbell is solid to be fair but the whole thing is so slow I question it being local. I think you really need to separate the brands because the power banks are still the best.
- wokkel 1y ago
  Got a lot of recalls going though.
- onli 1y ago
  They were caught lying about it being local, https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencrypted-scandal-1850059207 https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencry..., so your concern is not unreasonable.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  The single most important thing to understand about Chinese brands is that in China, party members sit on the board of these companies. And those party members can dictate action as they see fit. You can take them to the kangaroo court if you like, but people generally don't voluntarily waste time. People think that China is USA 2.0. It's not. It's a communist state with a single ruling party with unilateral control over every aspect of the country. They have capitalistic facets because communism doesn't work on it's own, but trust that the authority system is totalitarian, and if they want spyware in your product while you lie about it, there will be spyware in your product and you will lie about it.
  - alias_neo 1y ago
    We've already heard that there are kill switches in Solar PV equipment[0], networks with Chinese brands are to be considered compromised[1], I'm certain we can assume the same for Chinese brand EVs having remote control and/or kill switches. It's interesting to see the non-response from governments over it so far; though there was recently rumours of an MoD ban on Chinese EVs but that seems to have been shot down[2] so far. [0]https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill-switch-components-found-in-solar-power-infrastructure https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill... [1]https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-must-now-assume-their-networks-are-compromised-after-salt-typhoon-breach https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-m... [2]https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-chinese-electric-vehicles/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-ch...
    - RUnconcerned 1y ago
      Whereas devices made in the west are, of course, entirely trustworthy[0][1]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwal... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
      - alias_neo 1y ago
        The problem isn't trustworthiness, we know very well what's going on here, "privacy not included", the issue is that if another nation that's not friendly to you controls huge swathes of your infrastructure, they could use that access to cripple you should a "disagreement" occur. With the kind of infrastructure that holds Chinese technology in the west, they could shut down entire power grids, bring roads to a stand still, shut down entire countries worth of networking, cellular networks and worse. This is leaving out the surveillance and data collection potential as it's not the topic at hand. To be clear, my issue isn't with China specifically, but as a westerner, they're not a friendly nation (to mine). The same of course applies the other way around, and I can imagine a scenario of other citizens sitting in their respective nation having this same conversation about western technology.
SkyPuncher 1y ago
I think all Robovacs still kind of suck. We bought a mid-tier Roborock and it's been, meh. * The "mop" function is pretty much useless. It's very good at creating a thin layer of grime across our entire house. It basically just pushes grime from the high traffic areas of the high into the lower areas. Even with an aggressive setting for "mop cleaning", it just doesn't get clean. * The vacuum function is okay-ish. It does pretty well at keeping our dog's hair at bay, but it misses a lot of fine dirt and sand.
- cgio 1y ago
  That's their purpose right?
  - hyperdimension 1y ago
    "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums"
- vel0city 1y ago
  I can't speak to the mop function, I've never had a robo mop. I've had robot vacuums for about a decade now. Originally a Botvac, now a Shark. They're not a complete vacuum replacement, I've never had one always able to get every corner perfectly and get all the deeper dust and what not. What they do well is control all the animal hair in my home. There's a lot of shedding in my house, I'd have to spend time vacuuming every other day or there would be hair everywhere. Plus two kids, lots of random crumbs and what not. Nice to be able to just open the app and say "clean this room" and then go back to spending time with the kids instead of taking the time to vacuum myself. Having the robot run every other day means I can just do a deeper vacuum clean once a month or so but still have generally very clean floors day to day. Not a complete replacement in the end though.
  - ewoodrich 1y ago
    Yep, my $150 Amazon warehouse deals Eufy picks up about two large handfuls of cat hair daily if I run it consistently and more if I run it every few days. And this is one medium sized shorthair cat I comb regularly! I’ve only needed to replace consumables like the little side brush and roller brush and the cheap Amazon knockoff brands work fine for me.
torginus 1y ago
It's weird how since like the 2018ish, the West has been holding its collective breath about how 'high-tech Chinese product X' is going to wipe out local markets by offering the same stuff cheaper and better. We've seen this mentioned with smartphones, laptops, various electronics accessories, household stuff, and most recently cars. Interestingly, this stuff never seemed to catch on, the best they usually managed is they became mid-tier market players. The jury's still out on cars, but my suspicion is they're going to be far less dominant than the doomsayers predict. The only 2 exceptions to this are dji, and Bambulab, their products are without peer.
- SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
  > The jury's still out on cars, but my suspicion is they're going to be far less dominant than the doomsayers predict. Electric Vehicles? Chinese firms are crushing that market. They're well positioned to own the medium-term future of cars and similar vehicles.
  - torginus 1y ago
    No they are not, the only Western market I could find where they have significant penetration is in Australia. Places like the UK have no tariffs on Chinese EVs, and no domestic industry to protect, yet Chinese cars are barely in the top 10.
    - SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
      You're mistaking "on top now" for "well positioned to be on top in the medium-term future". They're not the same.
    - triceratops 1y ago
      I hadn't heard of any Chinese EVs as recently as 3 years ago. That they're already in the top 10 in the West is incredible.
- jabroni_salad 1y ago
  Roborock is the market leader for robotic vacuum cleaners at the moment. irobot was asleep at the wheel for like a decade.
schnebbau 1y ago
I have 2 x Omni X10 Pros and they're very good. No problems at all so far. I have all hard wood flooring though, I don't think they would be great on carpet.
Larrikin 1y ago
What was the problem? I thought my Eufy was excellent when I had it. It was one of the blind models, where it would seemingly wander around randomly, but it wasn't actually random. It may miss a spot on one pass but would usually get the spot on the next run. I've since upgraded to a Dreame with lidar and mopping that actually maps my place. It also has a Home Assistant integration so it can be automated and scheduled. But my original Eufy kept my old apartment floor in great shape.
skeeterbug 1y ago
We have had the X10 Pro Omni for a bit over a year now and we have been enjoying it. A mix of hardwood/carpet. I have it mop 3 times a week and vacuum alternate days. The mopping has been good. I change out the mop pads and blow out the filter once a week. The vacuum is OK, nothing compared to an upright, but it keeps dog hair manageable. If we only wanted vacuuming, I would have probably chosen a different brand. Just curious, what issues have you had?
- tracker1 1y ago
  I still won't buy anything X10 because their creation/abuse of popover/under ads in the late 90's.
arresin 1y ago
What is a good robovac?

My Eufy (by Anker) robovac is such a piece of shit that it sullied the Anker brand for me. I used to expect anything they made to be good by default. Now, it's the opposite.

sanex 1y ago

I also bought the eufy home security system and it's pretty trash but I'm in it now. The video doorbell is solid to be fair but the whole thing is so slow I question it being local. I think you really need to separate the brands because the power banks are still the best.

wokkel 1y ago
Got a lot of recalls going though.
onli 1y ago
They were caught lying about it being local, https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencrypted-scandal-1850059207 https://gizmodo.com/eufy-local-security-camera-cloud-unencry..., so your concern is not unreasonable.
Workaccount2 1y ago
The single most important thing to understand about Chinese brands is that in China, party members sit on the board of these companies. And those party members can dictate action as they see fit. You can take them to the kangaroo court if you like, but people generally don't voluntarily waste time. People think that China is USA 2.0. It's not. It's a communist state with a single ruling party with unilateral control over every aspect of the country. They have capitalistic facets because communism doesn't work on it's own, but trust that the authority system is totalitarian, and if they want spyware in your product while you lie about it, there will be spyware in your product and you will lie about it.
- alias_neo 1y ago
  We've already heard that there are kill switches in Solar PV equipment[0], networks with Chinese brands are to be considered compromised[1], I'm certain we can assume the same for Chinese brand EVs having remote control and/or kill switches. It's interesting to see the non-response from governments over it so far; though there was recently rumours of an MoD ban on Chinese EVs but that seems to have been shot down[2] so far. [0]https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill-switch-components-found-in-solar-power-infrastructure https://londondaily.com/u-s-concerns-mount-over-chinese-kill... [1]https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-must-now-assume-their-networks-are-compromised-after-salt-typhoon-breach https://www.itpro.com/security/cyber-attacks/all-us-forces-m... [2]https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-chinese-electric-vehicles/ https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/uk-confirms-no-mod-ban-on-ch...
  - RUnconcerned 1y ago
    Whereas devices made in the west are, of course, entirely trustworthy[0][1]. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwald-nsa-tampers-us-internet-routers-snowden https://www.theguardian.com/books/2014/may/12/glenn-greenwal... [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-security/cia-crypto-encryption-machines-espionage/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/world/national-...
    - alias_neo 1y ago
      The problem isn't trustworthiness, we know very well what's going on here, "privacy not included", the issue is that if another nation that's not friendly to you controls huge swathes of your infrastructure, they could use that access to cripple you should a "disagreement" occur. With the kind of infrastructure that holds Chinese technology in the west, they could shut down entire power grids, bring roads to a stand still, shut down entire countries worth of networking, cellular networks and worse. This is leaving out the surveillance and data collection potential as it's not the topic at hand. To be clear, my issue isn't with China specifically, but as a westerner, they're not a friendly nation (to mine). The same of course applies the other way around, and I can imagine a scenario of other citizens sitting in their respective nation having this same conversation about western technology.

SkyPuncher 1y ago

I think all Robovacs still kind of suck. We bought a mid-tier Roborock and it's been, meh. * The "mop" function is pretty much useless. It's very good at creating a thin layer of grime across our entire house. It basically just pushes grime from the high traffic areas of the high into the lower areas. Even with an aggressive setting for "mop cleaning", it just doesn't get clean. * The vacuum function is okay-ish. It does pretty well at keeping our dog's hair at bay, but it misses a lot of fine dirt and sand.

cgio 1y ago
That's their purpose right?
- hyperdimension 1y ago
  "The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day they start making vacuums"
vel0city 1y ago
I can't speak to the mop function, I've never had a robo mop. I've had robot vacuums for about a decade now. Originally a Botvac, now a Shark. They're not a complete vacuum replacement, I've never had one always able to get every corner perfectly and get all the deeper dust and what not. What they do well is control all the animal hair in my home. There's a lot of shedding in my house, I'd have to spend time vacuuming every other day or there would be hair everywhere. Plus two kids, lots of random crumbs and what not. Nice to be able to just open the app and say "clean this room" and then go back to spending time with the kids instead of taking the time to vacuum myself. Having the robot run every other day means I can just do a deeper vacuum clean once a month or so but still have generally very clean floors day to day. Not a complete replacement in the end though.
- ewoodrich 1y ago
  Yep, my $150 Amazon warehouse deals Eufy picks up about two large handfuls of cat hair daily if I run it consistently and more if I run it every few days. And this is one medium sized shorthair cat I comb regularly! I’ve only needed to replace consumables like the little side brush and roller brush and the cheap Amazon knockoff brands work fine for me.

torginus 1y ago

It's weird how since like the 2018ish, the West has been holding its collective breath about how 'high-tech Chinese product X' is going to wipe out local markets by offering the same stuff cheaper and better. We've seen this mentioned with smartphones, laptops, various electronics accessories, household stuff, and most recently cars. Interestingly, this stuff never seemed to catch on, the best they usually managed is they became mid-tier market players. The jury's still out on cars, but my suspicion is they're going to be far less dominant than the doomsayers predict. The only 2 exceptions to this are dji, and Bambulab, their products are without peer.

SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
> The jury's still out on cars, but my suspicion is they're going to be far less dominant than the doomsayers predict. Electric Vehicles? Chinese firms are crushing that market. They're well positioned to own the medium-term future of cars and similar vehicles.
- torginus 1y ago
  No they are not, the only Western market I could find where they have significant penetration is in Australia. Places like the UK have no tariffs on Chinese EVs, and no domestic industry to protect, yet Chinese cars are barely in the top 10.
  - SideburnsOfDoom 1y ago
    You're mistaking "on top now" for "well positioned to be on top in the medium-term future". They're not the same.
  - triceratops 1y ago
    I hadn't heard of any Chinese EVs as recently as 3 years ago. That they're already in the top 10 in the West is incredible.
jabroni_salad 1y ago
Roborock is the market leader for robotic vacuum cleaners at the moment. irobot was asleep at the wheel for like a decade.

schnebbau 1y ago

I have 2 x Omni X10 Pros and they're very good. No problems at all so far. I have all hard wood flooring though, I don't think they would be great on carpet.

Larrikin 1y ago

What was the problem? I thought my Eufy was excellent when I had it. It was one of the blind models, where it would seemingly wander around randomly, but it wasn't actually random. It may miss a spot on one pass but would usually get the spot on the next run. I've since upgraded to a Dreame with lidar and mopping that actually maps my place. It also has a Home Assistant integration so it can be automated and scheduled. But my original Eufy kept my old apartment floor in great shape.

skeeterbug 1y ago

We have had the X10 Pro Omni for a bit over a year now and we have been enjoying it. A mix of hardwood/carpet. I have it mop 3 times a week and vacuum alternate days. The mopping has been good. I change out the mop pads and blow out the filter once a week. The vacuum is OK, nothing compared to an upright, but it keeps dog hair manageable. If we only wanted vacuuming, I would have probably chosen a different brand. Just curious, what issues have you had?

tracker1 1y ago
I still won't buy anything X10 because their creation/abuse of popover/under ads in the late 90's.

arresin 1y ago

What is a good robovac?