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I'm one working on novel tech, without AI. I've never been doing more valuable work or been more in command of my craft. Yet the blanket statement is that I wi

I'm one working on novel tech, without AI. I've never been doing more valuable work or been more in command of my craft. Yet the blanket statement is that I will fail and be replaced, and in fact that people like me don't exist! So heck yeah I'll come clap back on that.

jennyholzer 1y ago
Continuing to develop my craft in the 4th straight year of numbskulls claiming that Chat GPT is the end of history has made me extraordinarily confident in my ability to secure lucrative developer work for the rest of my life.
- cindyllm 1y ago
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- atonse 1y ago
  It is not productive to call people numbskulls and make straw-man arguments just because you don't agree with their statements, or may not have observed the same benefits that they have. There is absolutely something real here, whether you choose to believe it or not. I'd recommend taking a good faith and open minded look at the last few months of developments. See where it can benefit you (and where it still falls way short). So even if you may have arrived at your conclusion years ago, I assure you that things continue to improve by the week. You will be pleasantly surprised. This is not all or nothing, nor does it have to be.
  - jennyholzer 1y ago
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infecto 1y ago
Your interpretation of the original quote is so far off that I would question your interpretation of the world. Sure novel stuff is being built but the vast majority of code at all sizes of companies has been written before in some iteration. Even for the novel work being done, it’s being surrounded by layers of code that has probably being written before. Are engineers going anywhere? No. But I also don’t think it’s far fetched to see a possible near term of competent engineers who use AI tools being more productive than the ones who don’t. I am not talking about copy and pasting but rather thoughtful use of tooling.
- conartist6 1y ago
  But "more productive" is a wording I also take issue with. Code is like law. The goal isn't to have a lot of it. Come to me when by "more productive" you actually mean that the person using the LLM deleted more lines of code than anyone else around them while preserving the stability and power of the system
  - infecto 1y ago
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    - jennyholzer 1y ago
      I thought you were supposed to be boosting AI? Why are you so bitter? You aren't going to sell any snake oil with this venomous strategy.
      - conartist6 1y ago
        I think I started the bitterness. I'm sorry. Everyone has genuine hurt. People who have bought the AI product are hurt because they're weakened and vulnerable by their dependence on buying their own productivity back from a reseller who is now raising the prices. I get cheesed off cause the AI people disrespect hard work and try to devalue its rewards, and that message is just toxic to anyone trying to learn. You can't master a musical instrument by paying an assistant to practice it for you.
        infecto 1y ago
        No hurt here. I simply reply to low quality posts with snark but also trying to challenge them. You keep responding with projection. I have zero skin in defending what works for me. I am simply pointing out your ignorance is equally as bad as the extreme hype on the other end of the spectrum.
atonse 1y ago
Right, I chose my words carefully when I said the "overwhelming majority" – and not "every single developer"

jennyholzer 1y ago

Continuing to develop my craft in the 4th straight year of numbskulls claiming that Chat GPT is the end of history has made me extraordinarily confident in my ability to secure lucrative developer work for the rest of my life.

cindyllm 1y ago
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atonse 1y ago
It is not productive to call people numbskulls and make straw-man arguments just because you don't agree with their statements, or may not have observed the same benefits that they have. There is absolutely something real here, whether you choose to believe it or not. I'd recommend taking a good faith and open minded look at the last few months of developments. See where it can benefit you (and where it still falls way short). So even if you may have arrived at your conclusion years ago, I assure you that things continue to improve by the week. You will be pleasantly surprised. This is not all or nothing, nor does it have to be.
- jennyholzer 1y ago
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infecto 1y ago

Your interpretation of the original quote is so far off that I would question your interpretation of the world. Sure novel stuff is being built but the vast majority of code at all sizes of companies has been written before in some iteration. Even for the novel work being done, it’s being surrounded by layers of code that has probably being written before. Are engineers going anywhere? No. But I also don’t think it’s far fetched to see a possible near term of competent engineers who use AI tools being more productive than the ones who don’t. I am not talking about copy and pasting but rather thoughtful use of tooling.

conartist6 1y ago
But "more productive" is a wording I also take issue with. Code is like law. The goal isn't to have a lot of it. Come to me when by "more productive" you actually mean that the person using the LLM deleted more lines of code than anyone else around them while preserving the stability and power of the system
- infecto 1y ago
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  - jennyholzer 1y ago
    I thought you were supposed to be boosting AI? Why are you so bitter? You aren't going to sell any snake oil with this venomous strategy.
    - conartist6 1y ago
      I think I started the bitterness. I'm sorry. Everyone has genuine hurt. People who have bought the AI product are hurt because they're weakened and vulnerable by their dependence on buying their own productivity back from a reseller who is now raising the prices. I get cheesed off cause the AI people disrespect hard work and try to devalue its rewards, and that message is just toxic to anyone trying to learn. You can't master a musical instrument by paying an assistant to practice it for you.
      - infecto 1y ago
        No hurt here. I simply reply to low quality posts with snark but also trying to challenge them. You keep responding with projection. I have zero skin in defending what works for me. I am simply pointing out your ignorance is equally as bad as the extreme hype on the other end of the spectrum.

atonse 1y ago

Right, I chose my words carefully when I said the "overwhelming majority" – and not "every single developer"