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some asshole will tell you that you didn't actually build your business. I though the whole thing was very similar to Carl Sagan's comment - If you want to mak

by ktizo 14y ago

some asshole will tell you that you didn't actually build your business. I though the whole thing was very similar to Carl Sagan's comment - If you want to make an apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe. - and I never thought that Carl Sagan was having a go at bakers.

robomartin 14y ago
Right. The difference is that Carl Sagan didn't use such comments to instigate and exploit class warfare and divide a country. Carl Sagan didn't use such statements to brainwash the masses for personal gain. Carl Sagan didn't use that statement to mean that a successful baker, today, owes their success to the creation of the universe. We operate within the reality that we happen to live within at the time of our lives. The Vikings had one reality. They moved within it and flourished. People born in England in the 1,200's had a very different reality to construct their lives around than those born 200, 400 or 800 years later. That's just the way things work. You use the tools you have at your disposal. It would be unthinkable to propose that someone in the year 1,200 invent the transistor. Lot's had to happen before the transistor could become a reality. Did they fail because of a failure of government to provide the necessary infrastructure? No, they failed because they would have been, quite simply put, way ahead of their time. Did Fleming come across Penicillin because government built roads? Not really. How about Madame Courie? Tesla? Hertz? Newton? IBM? Dell? Staples? Coca Cola? Did the engineers in the 1940's owe the development of the transistor to the roads, sewers and other services government managed for us? Of course not. Their success was the result of a myriad of personal factors, not the least of which were inspiration, intellect, drive and being in the right place at the right time. The infrastructure was there already. It wasn't built for them to be successful at this one task. It is an insult to the human condition to propose that we owe our personal success to government. Historically speaking, governments have caused humanity far more pain, agony, death and loss than almost any other human invention. Individuals don't go to war, governments do. So, Mr. Obama, do we also owe the 50 million people who died in World War 2 to the infrastructure the US Government put into place: roads, railroads, phones, telegraphs, airports, etc.? Of course not. Don't try to make connections where they don't exist. Politics sucks.
- ktizo 14y ago
  It is an insult to the human condition to propose that we owe our personal success to government. All ownership rights that are not built on direct possession are down to the social contract of government. Without that you would have no rights to anything that you cannot personally defend. This is really the only reason why we put up with government, despite all the associated crap that goes along with it. We like being able to leave the parcel of land we have claimed without having to leave someone on it permanently to make sure it is still there to return to when we get back. Individuals don't go to war, governments do. They wouldn't get very far without the soldiers.
- guiomie 14y ago
  "Did the engineers in the 1940's owe the development of the transistor to the roads, sewers and other services government managed for us? Of course not." Of course yes. Government makes sure we have good life conditions. If you have a government that takes decent care of its people, then those people will strive and innovate, instead of surviving. If government is so bad around here, move to Somalia. Come tell us how much you think a government that doesn't invest in its people is great for innovation.
  - ktizo 14y ago
    I am reminded strongly of ... "What have the Romans ever done for us?" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
  - kamaal 14y ago
    His point is that it those luxuries applies to everybody. Then why didn't everybody invent transistors? Given equal conditions, not everyone achieves equally.
  - a5seo 14y ago
    Are you arguing that Einstein invented the atomic bomb in the US because our infrastructre was better than Germany?
    - 14y ago

by ktizo 14y ago

robomartin 14y ago

Right. The difference is that Carl Sagan didn't use such comments to instigate and exploit class warfare and divide a country. Carl Sagan didn't use such statements to brainwash the masses for personal gain. Carl Sagan didn't use that statement to mean that a successful baker, today, owes their success to the creation of the universe. We operate within the reality that we happen to live within at the time of our lives. The Vikings had one reality. They moved within it and flourished. People born in England in the 1,200's had a very different reality to construct their lives around than those born 200, 400 or 800 years later. That's just the way things work. You use the tools you have at your disposal. It would be unthinkable to propose that someone in the year 1,200 invent the transistor. Lot's had to happen before the transistor could become a reality. Did they fail because of a failure of government to provide the necessary infrastructure? No, they failed because they would have been, quite simply put, way ahead of their time. Did Fleming come across Penicillin because government built roads? Not really. How about Madame Courie? Tesla? Hertz? Newton? IBM? Dell? Staples? Coca Cola? Did the engineers in the 1940's owe the development of the transistor to the roads, sewers and other services government managed for us? Of course not. Their success was the result of a myriad of personal factors, not the least of which were inspiration, intellect, drive and being in the right place at the right time. The infrastructure was there already. It wasn't built for them to be successful at this one task. It is an insult to the human condition to propose that we owe our personal success to government. Historically speaking, governments have caused humanity far more pain, agony, death and loss than almost any other human invention. Individuals don't go to war, governments do. So, Mr. Obama, do we also owe the 50 million people who died in World War 2 to the infrastructure the US Government put into place: roads, railroads, phones, telegraphs, airports, etc.? Of course not. Don't try to make connections where they don't exist. Politics sucks.

ktizo 14y ago
It is an insult to the human condition to propose that we owe our personal success to government. All ownership rights that are not built on direct possession are down to the social contract of government. Without that you would have no rights to anything that you cannot personally defend. This is really the only reason why we put up with government, despite all the associated crap that goes along with it. We like being able to leave the parcel of land we have claimed without having to leave someone on it permanently to make sure it is still there to return to when we get back. Individuals don't go to war, governments do. They wouldn't get very far without the soldiers.
guiomie 14y ago
"Did the engineers in the 1940's owe the development of the transistor to the roads, sewers and other services government managed for us? Of course not." Of course yes. Government makes sure we have good life conditions. If you have a government that takes decent care of its people, then those people will strive and innovate, instead of surviving. If government is so bad around here, move to Somalia. Come tell us how much you think a government that doesn't invest in its people is great for innovation.
- ktizo 14y ago
  I am reminded strongly of ... "What have the Romans ever done for us?" ... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso
- kamaal 14y ago
  His point is that it those luxuries applies to everybody. Then why didn't everybody invent transistors? Given equal conditions, not everyone achieves equally.
- a5seo 14y ago
  Are you arguing that Einstein invented the atomic bomb in the US because our infrastructre was better than Germany?
  - 14y ago