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When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This
by TrackerFF 1y ago
When you offer "unlimited", you're immediately exposing yourself to the 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders. This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers.
One thing I miss for the other users, i.e. the casual users that never use anywhere near of their quota, is rollover. If you haven't used your quota this month, the unused will roll over to the next month.
- dcminter 1y agoOne does find it occasionally. My mobile phone plan (in Sweden) currently says that I have 774G left of my 25G/month quota for example :)
- raverbashing 1y agoStill limited. But "unlimited" to most people In the same way your next-door supermarket has effectively "infinite soup cans" for the needs of most people.
- wat10000 1y agoUnlimited means for a flat rate. Pay per use/item, like at the supermarket, isn’t it.
- raverbashing 1y agoStill, you can't get "unlimited" soup cans from your next door supermarket even paying
- wat10000 1y agoWhich is why they don’t sell it as “unlimited.” The gripe isn’t that there are limits, it’s that it’s sold as “unlimited” but there are limits.
- raverbashing 1y agoWhich to any reasonable person (and it's on the fine print) should mean reasonable limits But I guess some people do really need "Eggs: contain eggs" in their egg carton otherwise they will throw a legal fit
- wat10000 1y agoRight, it’s our fault for not understanding their lies.
- johnisgood 1y agoSo it accumulates for you? That is nice. I wish my unused quota would go into the next month, but it resets. :(
- kqr 1y agoOne might wonder why you pay for a plan with 25 GB/mo when you use so little that you have over 2.5 years of it saved! I thought I had a low usage with my 1.5 years' worth saved. Only reason I paysfor that plan is anything lower and my provider does not offer rollover.
- ajsnigrutin 1y agoSometimes these are the smallest usable packages. Eg here in slovenia, if you want unlimited calls and texting, you get 150GB in your "package" for 9.99eur, but you somehow can't save that data for the next month. https://www.hot.si/ponudba/paketi.html https://www.hot.si/ponudba/paketi.html (not affiliated)
- dcminter 1y agoBecause it's inexpensive and I'd rather pay marginally over the odds than ever have to think about it (I'm not even sure there was a cheaper plan).
- blitzar 1y agoData limits are easier to keep "unlimited" by slowing the speed, which was already finite, to barely servicable levels. If it is clearly laid out this seems a reasonable solution.
- dcminter 1y agoIf they've ever done that then I've never noticed it - and mine doesn't claim to be unlimited.
- Philpax 1y agoThank you, Hallon - I've been on the same plan for the last four years and I don't think I've ever checked my data quota :)
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago> 0.1% of userbase that will absolutely treat it is unlimited. Whale users/hoarders This is somewhat a different issue that’s largely accepted by courts and society bar that one neighbour who is incensed they can’t run a rack off their home internet that was marketed unlimited.
- epistasis 1y agoI hit the limit with a single set of queries yesterday, the very very first time I ever clicked on that "Research" button. And it stopped me from using any of their services at all, without warning. I am a very light user of queries, less than one a day on the cheaper models.
- thimabi 1y agoThings would be much easier if, instead of “unlimited”, companies simply offered great usage limits. Yes, hoarders would still exist, but their impact would be negligible. Even better: provide a counter displaying both remaining usage available and the quota reset time. But companies probably earn so much money from the vast majority of users that having good and clear limits would only empower them to actually benefit as much from the product as they can.
- vertoc 1y agoI think the hard part with these ai models is it’s kind of hard to figure out how many tokens you’re going to use, especially as a new user. 4,000 tokens sounds like a lot for instance, but is tiny
- fuzzzerd 1y agoWhile I don't disagree that determining usage is incredibly difficult, it doesn't take a genius to see that something sold "by the million" is something you can expect to to use a lot of.
- thimabi 1y agoIf companies offered any sort of counter, users would quickly understand their usage patterns and adapt accordingly. But users are kept in the dark on purpose, often not knowing how many tokens they use, and sometimes not even knowing what are the token limits.
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- jollyllama 1y agoIt simply shouldn't be called unlimited, then.
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- SirFatty 1y agoLike the unlimited meal pass at Six Flags.. https://www.vice.com/en/article/meet-the-guy-whos-finessing-the-six-flags-meal-pass/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/meet-the-guy-whos-finessing-... Or the American Airlines lifetime pass.. https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/american-airlines-unlimited-airpass-story-steven-rothstein https://www.aerotime.aero/articles/american-airlines-unlimit...
- alt227 1y agoI havent seen the word unlimited used in advertising without an asterisk for a long long time.
- CraigRood 1y agoThing is, even with users that don't use the quota, these AI companies are still losing money. This isn't a case of the small users paying for large. The true costs of AI are yet to unravel.
- sjsdaiuasgdia 1y agoExactly. "Unlimited" is practically guaranteed to become a lie for any service that provides some amount of utility and lasts long enough to accumulate a significant number of users. Nothing in our world is truly unlimited. Digital services and assets have different costs than their physical counterparts, but that just means different limits, not a lack of them. Electrical supply, compute capacity, and storage are all physical things with real world limits to how much they can do. These realities eventually manifest when someone tries to build an "unlimited" service on top of limited components, similar to how you can't build a service with 99.999% reliability when it has a critical piece that can only get to 99.9%.
- windward 1y ago>This has been a known problem since the dawn of hosting...hell, it goes back to times before computers. yep >Adverse selection has been discussed for life insurance since the 1860s,[3] and the phrase has been used since the 1870s.[4]
- Aurornis 1y agoYou’re fully right and I’ve seen it play out at a startup. It’s unreal to see how that 0.1% userbase can find insane ways to use your service. For some people, it becomes a game to discover your rate limits and develop a service that goes just under the rate limit 24/7 In some cases, people discover creative ways to resell the service. Anthropic mentioned they suspect this was happening. The weirdest part about this whole internet uproar, though, is that Anthropic never offered unlimited usage. It was always advertised as higher limits. Yet all the comment threads about it are convinced it was unlimited and now it’s not. It’s weird how the internet will wrap a narrative around a story like this.
- tsoukase 1y agoAll-you-can-eat allowance at restaurans comes to mind
- bayindirh 1y agoI went to a particular sports bar back in the day. They have "all you can eat ribs" plate. The first comes fully treated with sauce and is very, very delicious. When you order the second plate, it comes without the sauce and it tastes flatter. You're filled at this point and you can't order the third. Very creative and fun if you ask me. I was prepared for this though, because the people we went together said how it's going to go, exactly.
- tsoukase 1y agoI was thinking about self serviced "buffet", where the lowest quality starts from then first plate.
- anthonypasq 1y agoin cursor you can just set a monthly spend limit at api pricing. seems like what you are looking for
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