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> in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas No one with an Israeli passport is allowed to visit Area A of the W

by tome 1y ago

> in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas No one with an Israeli passport is allowed to visit Area A of the West Bank, regardless of their ethnicity.

4gotunameagain 1y ago
Yeah. And? One case is an assertion of sovereignty (whether we agree or not), the other case is apartheid.
- tome 1y ago
  I'm not sure what you mean. I'm saying that the reason that Arabs with Israeli passports are not allowed to enter certain areas of the West Bank is because no one with an Israeli passport is allowed to enter those areas.
  - 4gotunameagain 1y ago
    What I pointed out is that there are areas within Israel where Arabs with an Israeli passport cannot enter. Areas outside of Israeli control where Israelis are not allowed to go is irrelevant when discussing about whether Israel is an apartheid state or not.
    - tome 1y ago
      > What I pointed out is that there are areas within Israel where Arabs with an Israeli passport cannot enter. Actually you said > in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas But in any case, since you also said "multiple sources online" perhaps you can link one so we're talking about something concrete and not just vague insinuations.
      - 4gotunameagain 1y ago
        By occupied areas I did not mean Area A of the West Bank, I meant settlements considered "Israel". It is trivial to find more sources than the one I already mentioned, there is a very very long wikipedia article as a starting point. I'm afraid you do not care about seeing what is going on, you care about dismissing opposing opinions.
        tome 1y ago
        Well, I have found some sources and they say that Arabs with Israeli citizenship can live in Israeli settlements in the West Bank: https://old.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/v8s88z/arab_israelis_in_the_west_bank/ https://old.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/v8s88z/ara... https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-Israeli-Arabs-live-in-Israeli-settlements-why-are-they-Jewish-only https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-Israeli-Arabs-live-in-Israel...
        4gotunameagain 1y ago
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        tome 1y ago
        You haven't linked your sources on the matter at all ...
        4gotunameagain 1y ago
        I mentioned a documentary by a reputable journalist, and pointed you to the relevant wikipedia article which has 386 citations. Sounds like you have more than enough to get started. Or maybe stay with reddit and quora. Up to you.
        tome 1y ago
        You did not link to a Wikipedia article. Unfortunately I do not have the resources to watch Louis Theroux's documentary, which I'm sure is full of his characteristic dry takes.

by tome 1y ago

> in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas No one with an Israeli passport is allowed to visit Area A of the West Bank, regardless of their ethnicity.

4gotunameagain 1y ago

Yeah. And? One case is an assertion of sovereignty (whether we agree or not), the other case is apartheid.

tome 1y ago
I'm not sure what you mean. I'm saying that the reason that Arabs with Israeli passports are not allowed to enter certain areas of the West Bank is because no one with an Israeli passport is allowed to enter those areas.
- 4gotunameagain 1y ago
  What I pointed out is that there are areas within Israel where Arabs with an Israeli passport cannot enter. Areas outside of Israeli control where Israelis are not allowed to go is irrelevant when discussing about whether Israel is an apartheid state or not.
  - tome 1y ago
    > What I pointed out is that there are areas within Israel where Arabs with an Israeli passport cannot enter. Actually you said > in the occupied areas Arabs WITH Israeli passports are not allowed to visit certain areas But in any case, since you also said "multiple sources online" perhaps you can link one so we're talking about something concrete and not just vague insinuations.
    - 4gotunameagain 1y ago
      By occupied areas I did not mean Area A of the West Bank, I meant settlements considered "Israel". It is trivial to find more sources than the one I already mentioned, there is a very very long wikipedia article as a starting point. I'm afraid you do not care about seeing what is going on, you care about dismissing opposing opinions.
      - tome 1y ago
        Well, I have found some sources and they say that Arabs with Israeli citizenship can live in Israeli settlements in the West Bank: https://old.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/v8s88z/arab_israelis_in_the_west_bank/ https://old.reddit.com/r/IsraelPalestine/comments/v8s88z/ara... https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-Israeli-Arabs-live-in-Israeli-settlements-why-are-they-Jewish-only https://www.quora.com/Why-can-t-Israeli-Arabs-live-in-Israel...
        4gotunameagain 1y ago
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        tome 1y ago
        You haven't linked your sources on the matter at all ...
        4gotunameagain 1y ago
        I mentioned a documentary by a reputable journalist, and pointed you to the relevant wikipedia article which has 386 citations. Sounds like you have more than enough to get started. Or maybe stay with reddit and quora. Up to you.
        tome 1y ago
        You did not link to a Wikipedia article. Unfortunately I do not have the resources to watch Louis Theroux's documentary, which I'm sure is full of his characteristic dry takes.