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It's not clickbait. Many member states do support this. Much of the disagreement is on just how rights-violating the scanning should be. The situation here in

It's not clickbait. Many member states do support this. Much of the disagreement is on just how rights-violating the scanning should be. The situation here in Denmark is dire: nobody in the Danish media reports on it, so everybody just shrugs. I've gone out of my way to educate my coworkers and most are unaware many members of our parliament want this. The number of parties that support it outnumber those who don't. Writing to our representatives is met with silence. Everyone looking to Denmark as a model state should beware what happens when you have a population with such high trust in its government: the roots of autocracy are allowed to grow unfettered.

hollowonepl 1y ago
The way article is formulated little bit as clickbait. Title tries to scare while content says it's just a topic being reintroduced. If anybody knows EU laws and is aware that to introduce such change all states need to agree... then I just wish DK good luck until it's anyhow confirmed at _all_ not many states do support this. I come from different EU state and I first time hear this is big topic, seems then it's not such a big topic outside Denmark maybe?
brabel 1y ago
> Everyone looking to Denmark as a model state should beware what happens when you have a population with such high trust in its government: the roots of autocracy are allowed to grow unfettered. Denmark is currently one of the nicest places you can find in the world. If that’s what happens when you trust the government then sign me up! PS. I know the situation can quickly deteriorate if you’re not constantly monitoring what the government does and agree with OP on that. Just thought it was incredibly naive to try to make the point that this can lead to an autocracy while showing one of the most well functioning democracies in the world. The USA seems like a much better example, and even then compared to most countries in the world, as you can see by the amount of people trying to move there, it’s still a pretty damn nice place to go.
- BSDobelix 1y ago
  >If that’s what happens when you trust the government then sign me up! Like that? https://cphpost.dk/2024-05-05/news/climate/danish-companies-breach-eu-law-dump-toxic-waste-into-sea-environment-ministry-waves-it-through/ https://cphpost.dk/2024-05-05/news/climate/danish-companies-... >>Danish companies breach EU law, dump toxic waste into sea – Environment Ministry waves it through Or that? https://eos.org/thelandslideblog/nordic-waste-1 https://eos.org/thelandslideblog/nordic-waste-1 >>The Nordic Waste landslide scandal in Denmark Maybe how about that? (50 years ago) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--KsfrEhPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--KsfrEhPI >>How Denmark forced young women in Greenland to get IUDs
  - ThePowerOfFuet 1y ago
    >How Denmark forced young women in Greenland to get IUDs And who still take away the babies of Greenlandic mothers in Denmark. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jun/29/controversial-danish-parenting-test-separated-greenlandic-mother-children https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jun/29/controv...
    - BSDobelix 1y ago
      Parenting test.....this is disgusting, thanks for the update.
- mardifoufs 1y ago
  Yes, if you are an ethnic Dane in the majority, that's probably true. But that's almost always true. Governments, even autocratic ones, usually don't go against the majority. But for everyone else, yes it's absolutely worrying. Just a small example, Danemark is the only country that has force deported almost every Syrian refugee, children included back, in 2021. I'd get it now that the war is over, but it wasn't then. Even Trump didn't do that.
azalemeth 1y ago
Denmark is very liberal in some ways but very much not in others. MitID -- digital id-- is a gateway to everything and is very much gated in terms of access; it took me months to sort out. It's a crime to not tell the state where you live, or to have too many people living in your house (I'd love to know what happens if you give birth on a "full" house -- is there a grace period, or do you have to move?). The work laptop I have been issued with is filled with invasive spyware that no British university employee would tolerate, and it is run (very well) as a benign dictatorship. You can't get a phone SIM card without personal registration. The tax agency know exactly to the øre how much money you received and what you spent it on in a given year as basically every transaction is recorded. I'm not complaining that much about it -- you have a fantastic social security system, low inequality, high pay and high taxes, leading to a happy and well educated population and great food (no upf!) -- but it is a vision of the 1960s nanny state that really does think it knowd best.
- BSDobelix 1y ago
  >>Denmark is very liberal in some ways True like not banning bestiality until 2015.... https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-32411241 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-32411241
  - mrweasel 1y ago
    We also accidentally legalized child pornography for a short period after 1969. That was unintentional though.
    - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
      Wait, wait, hol' up, double take. How does one accidentally legalize child pornography?
      - mrweasel 1y ago
        You forget to exclude it from the law that legalize pornography. Denmark was the first country to legalize pornography, so obviously there where a bunch of, should we say "edge cases" that the lawmakers forgot to think about. The Danish national television made a documentary, there's also a short article: https://www.dr.dk/om-dr/programmer-og-koncerter/candy-film-da-boerneporno-var-lovlig https://www.dr.dk/om-dr/programmer-og-koncerter/candy-film-d... you can probably just run it through Google translate. The worst part is that it took like 10 - 11 years to fix.

hollowonepl 1y ago

The way article is formulated little bit as clickbait. Title tries to scare while content says it's just a topic being reintroduced. If anybody knows EU laws and is aware that to introduce such change all states need to agree... then I just wish DK good luck until it's anyhow confirmed at _all_ not many states do support this. I come from different EU state and I first time hear this is big topic, seems then it's not such a big topic outside Denmark maybe?

brabel 1y ago

> Everyone looking to Denmark as a model state should beware what happens when you have a population with such high trust in its government: the roots of autocracy are allowed to grow unfettered. Denmark is currently one of the nicest places you can find in the world. If that’s what happens when you trust the government then sign me up! PS. I know the situation can quickly deteriorate if you’re not constantly monitoring what the government does and agree with OP on that. Just thought it was incredibly naive to try to make the point that this can lead to an autocracy while showing one of the most well functioning democracies in the world. The USA seems like a much better example, and even then compared to most countries in the world, as you can see by the amount of people trying to move there, it’s still a pretty damn nice place to go.

BSDobelix 1y ago
>If that’s what happens when you trust the government then sign me up! Like that? https://cphpost.dk/2024-05-05/news/climate/danish-companies-breach-eu-law-dump-toxic-waste-into-sea-environment-ministry-waves-it-through/ https://cphpost.dk/2024-05-05/news/climate/danish-companies-... >>Danish companies breach EU law, dump toxic waste into sea – Environment Ministry waves it through Or that? https://eos.org/thelandslideblog/nordic-waste-1 https://eos.org/thelandslideblog/nordic-waste-1 >>The Nordic Waste landslide scandal in Denmark Maybe how about that? (50 years ago) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--KsfrEhPI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K--KsfrEhPI >>How Denmark forced young women in Greenland to get IUDs
- ThePowerOfFuet 1y ago
  >How Denmark forced young women in Greenland to get IUDs And who still take away the babies of Greenlandic mothers in Denmark. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jun/29/controversial-danish-parenting-test-separated-greenlandic-mother-children https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2025/jun/29/controv...
  - BSDobelix 1y ago
    Parenting test.....this is disgusting, thanks for the update.
mardifoufs 1y ago
Yes, if you are an ethnic Dane in the majority, that's probably true. But that's almost always true. Governments, even autocratic ones, usually don't go against the majority. But for everyone else, yes it's absolutely worrying. Just a small example, Danemark is the only country that has force deported almost every Syrian refugee, children included back, in 2021. I'd get it now that the war is over, but it wasn't then. Even Trump didn't do that.

azalemeth 1y ago

Denmark is very liberal in some ways but very much not in others. MitID -- digital id-- is a gateway to everything and is very much gated in terms of access; it took me months to sort out. It's a crime to not tell the state where you live, or to have too many people living in your house (I'd love to know what happens if you give birth on a "full" house -- is there a grace period, or do you have to move?). The work laptop I have been issued with is filled with invasive spyware that no British university employee would tolerate, and it is run (very well) as a benign dictatorship. You can't get a phone SIM card without personal registration. The tax agency know exactly to the øre how much money you received and what you spent it on in a given year as basically every transaction is recorded. I'm not complaining that much about it -- you have a fantastic social security system, low inequality, high pay and high taxes, leading to a happy and well educated population and great food (no upf!) -- but it is a vision of the 1960s nanny state that really does think it knowd best.

BSDobelix 1y ago
>>Denmark is very liberal in some ways True like not banning bestiality until 2015.... https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-32411241 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-32411241
- mrweasel 1y ago
  We also accidentally legalized child pornography for a short period after 1969. That was unintentional though.
  - FirmwareBurner 1y ago
    Wait, wait, hol' up, double take. How does one accidentally legalize child pornography?
    - mrweasel 1y ago
      You forget to exclude it from the law that legalize pornography. Denmark was the first country to legalize pornography, so obviously there where a bunch of, should we say "edge cases" that the lawmakers forgot to think about. The Danish national television made a documentary, there's also a short article: https://www.dr.dk/om-dr/programmer-og-koncerter/candy-film-da-boerneporno-var-lovlig https://www.dr.dk/om-dr/programmer-og-koncerter/candy-film-d... you can probably just run it through Google translate. The worst part is that it took like 10 - 11 years to fix.