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I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring

I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. It seems like with all the external global support, it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Current strategies of applying external pressure and protesting appear to be largely ineffective. There's so many people who wield immense power and wealth, but they seem unwilling to take direct action to put a stop to this conflict, they just sit in the sidelines like low-agency players. If there's a trusted neutral party that people could rally behind, then it would just be a matter of coordinating behind them and pushing a focused message of bringing all relevant leaders to the negotiation table in order to design a framework that builds towards peace in the area.

buyucu 1y ago
Israel will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder.
- sc970 1y ago
  "It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder." Is this referring to the Hamas Charter? Suspect it is a typo and you meant to say both sides.
  - Zacharias030 1y ago
    Mass murder through starvation and shooting children at aid stations.
    - tdeck 1y ago
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    - ivape 1y ago
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  - tdeck 1y ago
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-char... Hamas presents new charter accepting a Palestine based on 1967 borders (2017)
  - bjoli 1y ago
    I can name four high ranking Hamas officials that were assassinated by Israel after proposing truces where they accept Israel as a nation. Yassin. Jabari. al-Rantisi. The latest one is Haniyeh who opened up for a long term truce with Israel AND recognizing Israel as a state. These are just the people from the top of my head. They were all killed within months of proposing long term truces with Israel. Not nice people, but still people with power to make a change. Israel has shown again and again that negotiation should be done by force.
  - buyucu 1y ago
    What did you expect? Israel has been expanding more and more into Palestine, murdering and displacing Palestinians who live there. Did you really think nobody would fight back?
  - insane_dreamer 1y ago
    Israel has been killing Palestinians, expelling them from their homes, and oppressing them for decades before Hamas even existed. "Both sides" is like saying the Native Americans were at fault for resisting the European Colonists' (ultimately successful) efforts to take their land and exterminate them.
Zacharias030 1y ago
True, there is some hesitation deploying sanctions and peacekeeping troops to keep the Israeli state away from starving children.
originalvichy 1y ago
When you have nukes, you can do anything. The next 10 years will literally change the future of this planet, because Israel turned nuclear deterrence into "right to attack anyone and not face consequences". It's straight out of Russia's playbook, and many countries who thought they would never need a nuclear deterrence realize that they actually might need one. North Korea's dictatorship looks like a bunch of geniuses right now and it's sad and scary that giving the Israeli military zero pushback (and even encouragement from the US) will result in a nuclear arms race.
i_love_retros 1y ago
America, AIPAC, all the democrats funded by AIPAC, all the Christion Zionist republicans... that is why this doesn't stop. America wont let anyone else intervene.
jld89 1y ago
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nailer 1y ago
> it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Hamas does not want to step down, they want to kill all the Jewish people. They are very clear about this.
zahlman 1y ago
> I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. Consider that even people on HN are replying to you with the kind of rhetoric that they are, on both sides of the issue, and then keep in mind that the world is full of people who feel even more strongly about it and don't feel at all restrained by HN commenting guidelines. No, there is no trusted neutral party. There are many players involved who reject that concept on principle, who even consider that it would be suicidal to accept such a thing.

buyucu 1y ago

Israel will not be satisfied with anything less than the complete eradication of the Palestinian people. It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder.

sc970 1y ago
"It is hard to make peace when one side is hell-bent on mass murder." Is this referring to the Hamas Charter? Suspect it is a typo and you meant to say both sides.
- Zacharias030 1y ago
  Mass murder through starvation and shooting children at aid stations.
  - tdeck 1y ago
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  - ivape 1y ago
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- tdeck 1y ago
  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-charter-palestine-israel-1967-borders https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/may/01/hamas-new-char... Hamas presents new charter accepting a Palestine based on 1967 borders (2017)
- bjoli 1y ago
  I can name four high ranking Hamas officials that were assassinated by Israel after proposing truces where they accept Israel as a nation. Yassin. Jabari. al-Rantisi. The latest one is Haniyeh who opened up for a long term truce with Israel AND recognizing Israel as a state. These are just the people from the top of my head. They were all killed within months of proposing long term truces with Israel. Not nice people, but still people with power to make a change. Israel has shown again and again that negotiation should be done by force.
- buyucu 1y ago
  What did you expect? Israel has been expanding more and more into Palestine, murdering and displacing Palestinians who live there. Did you really think nobody would fight back?
- insane_dreamer 1y ago
  Israel has been killing Palestinians, expelling them from their homes, and oppressing them for decades before Hamas even existed. "Both sides" is like saying the Native Americans were at fault for resisting the European Colonists' (ultimately successful) efforts to take their land and exterminate them.

Zacharias030 1y ago

True, there is some hesitation deploying sanctions and peacekeeping troops to keep the Israeli state away from starving children.

originalvichy 1y ago

When you have nukes, you can do anything. The next 10 years will literally change the future of this planet, because Israel turned nuclear deterrence into "right to attack anyone and not face consequences". It's straight out of Russia's playbook, and many countries who thought they would never need a nuclear deterrence realize that they actually might need one. North Korea's dictatorship looks like a bunch of geniuses right now and it's sad and scary that giving the Israeli military zero pushback (and even encouragement from the US) will result in a nuclear arms race.

i_love_retros 1y ago

America, AIPAC, all the democrats funded by AIPAC, all the Christion Zionist republicans... that is why this doesn't stop. America wont let anyone else intervene.

jld89 1y ago

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nailer 1y ago

> it should be possible to bring enough world leaders together to hammer out a peace treaty. Hamas does not want to step down, they want to kill all the Jewish people. They are very clear about this.

zahlman 1y ago

> I don't really understand how this conflict has been dragged out for so long. Consider that even people on HN are replying to you with the kind of rhetoric that they are, on both sides of the issue, and then keep in mind that the world is full of people who feel even more strongly about it and don't feel at all restrained by HN commenting guidelines. No, there is no trusted neutral party. There are many players involved who reject that concept on principle, who even consider that it would be suicidal to accept such a thing.