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They haven't passed this yet, because every time people make noise and write their representatives. It's "clickbait" like this that makes any sort of privacy st

They haven't passed this yet, because every time people make noise and write their representatives. It's "clickbait" like this that makes any sort of privacy still possible.

westpfelia 1y ago
Sure, but this is the same thing as saying "America is going to paint all birds orange" just because one person in the Iowa General House Assembly said we should do it. Awareness is good but there is a fine line between awareness of specific politicians that suck and just misrepresenting the facts.
- jb1991 1y ago
  OK, I’ll bite. What reason would there be to paint every bird orange?
  - squigz 1y ago
    Easier hunting.
  - thyristan 1y ago
    Making the surveilance drones (they aren't really birds) more obvious and more conforming to the prison states of america branding. ;)
  - westpfelia 1y ago
    There isnt. Its a crazy example of what is happening here. To use a real world example take this "EU deal" that Trump did. Everyone is talking like its already taken effect. But the reality is the EU just handshake agreed to this, but at the end of the day all of the member states have to rattify it. And if states dont or if there are arguements made the whole thing gets tossed. I just wish people would say that they dont understand how the EU works. At some point some Dutch mayor is going to say that the inernet should be free, and "tech journalists" are going to write articles talking about how all EU citizens will have Fibre cables connected to them at all times.
    - richrichardsson 1y ago
      > I just wish people would say that they dont understand how the EU works. Just look at the Brexit vote for an example of how little people understand the EU and how it works.
    - inglor_cz 1y ago
      You are spreading some serious disinformation about how the EU works. Once such EU-wide regulations are fully passed (incl. the EP), the countries have to implement them in their law. Sure, they can drag their feet, or there actually might be a real showdown, for example, if the German Constitutional Court says that this is against the Grundgesetz and that it does not recognize supremacy of EU law over itself / the German Constitution. If the same happens in Poland, there will be extra drama added. But at the same time, at least half of the EU, countries with negligible tech sector, will happily pass that legislation without any significant friction, because a) think of the children, b) monitoring opposition and dissent, yay!, c) we have to, because Brussels said so, d) the lawmakers know shit about encryption and tech and they will be exempt from monitoring anyway, so encryption is something that is only used by criminals and terrorists and if you have nothing to hide etc. etc. At which point you have the surveillance infrastructure installed and in operation across half the continent, and with elections changing governments, it will spread. Our main protection used to be that small countries like Slovenia or Malta don't have the weight to push Apple or Google to introduce deliberate holes in their software. If the European Commission joins the push, that is a completely different pressure.
    - pakitan 1y ago
      You picked a really bad time to defend a "politicians will eventually do what is best for us" position, given that such a law just came into effect in UK. And I think it's you who don't understand how the EU works. It's the biggest countries that must agree to something. Then they coerce/convince the rest. At best, the smaller countries can put on some kind of resistance until they extract some minor exception. This isn't "some Dutch mayor proposes free Internet". This is a relentless onslaught on encryption and privacy. And it's already in effect in other countries where someone at sometime also said "nah, don't worry, they just messing with us, it's not gonna pass".
- xinayder 1y ago
  What is misrepresented? It's not "only Denmark". There are just a handful of countries in the EU opposing Chat Control, not because they care about privacy.

They haven't passed this yet, because every time people make noise and write their representatives. It's "clickbait" like this that makes any sort of privacy still possible.

westpfelia 1y ago

Sure, but this is the same thing as saying "America is going to paint all birds orange" just because one person in the Iowa General House Assembly said we should do it. Awareness is good but there is a fine line between awareness of specific politicians that suck and just misrepresenting the facts.

jb1991 1y ago
OK, I’ll bite. What reason would there be to paint every bird orange?
- squigz 1y ago
  Easier hunting.
- thyristan 1y ago
  Making the surveilance drones (they aren't really birds) more obvious and more conforming to the prison states of america branding. ;)
- westpfelia 1y ago
  There isnt. Its a crazy example of what is happening here. To use a real world example take this "EU deal" that Trump did. Everyone is talking like its already taken effect. But the reality is the EU just handshake agreed to this, but at the end of the day all of the member states have to rattify it. And if states dont or if there are arguements made the whole thing gets tossed. I just wish people would say that they dont understand how the EU works. At some point some Dutch mayor is going to say that the inernet should be free, and "tech journalists" are going to write articles talking about how all EU citizens will have Fibre cables connected to them at all times.
  - richrichardsson 1y ago
    > I just wish people would say that they dont understand how the EU works. Just look at the Brexit vote for an example of how little people understand the EU and how it works.
  - inglor_cz 1y ago
    You are spreading some serious disinformation about how the EU works. Once such EU-wide regulations are fully passed (incl. the EP), the countries have to implement them in their law. Sure, they can drag their feet, or there actually might be a real showdown, for example, if the German Constitutional Court says that this is against the Grundgesetz and that it does not recognize supremacy of EU law over itself / the German Constitution. If the same happens in Poland, there will be extra drama added. But at the same time, at least half of the EU, countries with negligible tech sector, will happily pass that legislation without any significant friction, because a) think of the children, b) monitoring opposition and dissent, yay!, c) we have to, because Brussels said so, d) the lawmakers know shit about encryption and tech and they will be exempt from monitoring anyway, so encryption is something that is only used by criminals and terrorists and if you have nothing to hide etc. etc. At which point you have the surveillance infrastructure installed and in operation across half the continent, and with elections changing governments, it will spread. Our main protection used to be that small countries like Slovenia or Malta don't have the weight to push Apple or Google to introduce deliberate holes in their software. If the European Commission joins the push, that is a completely different pressure.
  - pakitan 1y ago
    You picked a really bad time to defend a "politicians will eventually do what is best for us" position, given that such a law just came into effect in UK. And I think it's you who don't understand how the EU works. It's the biggest countries that must agree to something. Then they coerce/convince the rest. At best, the smaller countries can put on some kind of resistance until they extract some minor exception. This isn't "some Dutch mayor proposes free Internet". This is a relentless onslaught on encryption and privacy. And it's already in effect in other countries where someone at sometime also said "nah, don't worry, they just messing with us, it's not gonna pass".
xinayder 1y ago
What is misrepresented? It's not "only Denmark". There are just a handful of countries in the EU opposing Chat Control, not because they care about privacy.