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Evidence please!

em3rgent0rdr 1y ago
I don't know what specific rabbis the parent referring to, but Israel's PM has referenced the Amalek story: https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-references-to-violent-biblical-passages-raise-alarm-among-critics https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-referen...
somenameforme 1y ago
South Africa's genocide case against Israel [1] is chock full of quotes from high level Israeli officials, including Netanyahu. Check page 59. Obviously much more has been said since that claim was filed, but the nature of genocidal rhetoric is such that you can't get much more extreme. Netanyahu himself repeatedly referenced the biblical tale of Amalek [2] which reaches its climax with this passage [3] : "Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." [1] - https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/So... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek [3] - https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15-3.htm https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15-3.htm
- dlubarov 1y ago
  He didn't reference that particular passage about Amalek though, he just said "Remember what Amalek did to you". And it was pretty clear from the context of his speech that he was talking about Hamas and their invasion, not regular Gazans. His office pointed out that the same phrase appears at the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum, as well at a memorial in The Hague, in reference to the Nazis. Of course they're statements about remembering Nazi atrocities, and not calls to genocide the German people. https://www.timesofisrael.com/pms-office-says-its-preposterous-to-say-invoking-amalek-was-a-genocide-call/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/pms-office-says-its-prepostero...
  - dmos62 1y ago
    Thanks for the context. Every other comment here is referencing the Amalek reference.
    - Zacharias030 1y ago
      If he had nothing to fear, then what is stopping him clearing his name in court?
      - dlubarov 1y ago
        Even if he could somehow be guaranteed a fair trial, why would Israel send anyone to a court whose jurisdiction it never consented to?
  - somenameforme 1y ago
    If you genuinely believe he wasn't appealing to genocide, then here's a sampling of the rest of the Israeli leadership - who generally speak more directly. --- President of Israel: "It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware not involved. It’s absolutely not true. … and we will fight until we break their backbone." Minister of Defense: "[We are] imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly." Minister of National Security: "To be clear, when we say that Hamas should be destroyed, it also means those who celebrate, those who support, and those who hand out candy — they’re all terrorists, and they should also be destroyed." Minister of Energy and Infrastructure: "All the civilian population in Gaza is ordered to leave immediately. We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world." Minister of Heritage: "We wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid”, and "there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza." --- This is also far from the most extreme. See the "motivational speech" sponsored by the Israeli Army on page 64. [1] I will not quote it because it makes the above seem like softball. And these were things all said more than a year ago - they have only become more radical with time. Their rhetoric isn't ambiguous and neither are their actions. So many people don't realize how the West will be seen when the future judges us, though I think more are starting to realize. [1] - https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/So...
- xdennis 1y ago
  GP asked for proof of "numerous clips of Rabbis openly promoting the extermination of Palestinians". If there are numerous, he should be able to post some. South Africa has no moral authority given that it refuses to arrest Putin.
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Evidence please!

I don't know what specific rabbis the parent referring to, but Israel's PM has referenced the Amalek story: https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-references-to-violent-biblical-passages-raise-alarm-among-critics https://www.npr.org/2023/11/07/1211133201/netanyahus-referen...

somenameforme 1y ago

South Africa's genocide case against Israel [1] is chock full of quotes from high level Israeli officials, including Netanyahu. Check page 59. Obviously much more has been said since that claim was filed, but the nature of genocidal rhetoric is such that you can't get much more extreme. Netanyahu himself repeatedly referenced the biblical tale of Amalek [2] which reaches its climax with this passage [3] : "Now go and attack Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them. But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey." [1] - https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/So... [2] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amalek [3] - https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15-3.htm https://biblehub.com/1_samuel/15-3.htm

dlubarov 1y ago
He didn't reference that particular passage about Amalek though, he just said "Remember what Amalek did to you". And it was pretty clear from the context of his speech that he was talking about Hamas and their invasion, not regular Gazans. His office pointed out that the same phrase appears at the Yad Vashem Holocaust museum, as well at a memorial in The Hague, in reference to the Nazis. Of course they're statements about remembering Nazi atrocities, and not calls to genocide the German people. https://www.timesofisrael.com/pms-office-says-its-preposterous-to-say-invoking-amalek-was-a-genocide-call/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/pms-office-says-its-prepostero...
- dmos62 1y ago
  Thanks for the context. Every other comment here is referencing the Amalek reference.
  - Zacharias030 1y ago
    If he had nothing to fear, then what is stopping him clearing his name in court?
    - dlubarov 1y ago
      Even if he could somehow be guaranteed a fair trial, why would Israel send anyone to a court whose jurisdiction it never consented to?
- somenameforme 1y ago
  If you genuinely believe he wasn't appealing to genocide, then here's a sampling of the rest of the Israeli leadership - who generally speak more directly. --- President of Israel: "It’s an entire nation out there that is responsible. It’s not true this rhetoric about civilians not aware not involved. It’s absolutely not true. … and we will fight until we break their backbone." Minister of Defense: "[We are] imposing a complete siege on Gaza. No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly." Minister of National Security: "To be clear, when we say that Hamas should be destroyed, it also means those who celebrate, those who support, and those who hand out candy — they’re all terrorists, and they should also be destroyed." Minister of Energy and Infrastructure: "All the civilian population in Gaza is ordered to leave immediately. We will win. They will not receive a drop of water or a single battery until they leave the world." Minister of Heritage: "We wouldn’t hand the Nazis humanitarian aid”, and "there is no such thing as uninvolved civilians in Gaza." --- This is also far from the most extreme. See the "motivational speech" sponsored by the Israeli Army on page 64. [1] I will not quote it because it makes the above seem like softball. And these were things all said more than a year ago - they have only become more radical with time. Their rhetoric isn't ambiguous and neither are their actions. So many people don't realize how the West will be seen when the future judges us, though I think more are starting to realize. [1] - https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/South-Africa-v-Israel.pdf https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/12/So...
xdennis 1y ago
GP asked for proof of "numerous clips of Rabbis openly promoting the extermination of Palestinians". If there are numerous, he should be able to post some. South Africa has no moral authority given that it refuses to arrest Putin.

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