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Why do you think these two things are connected? Working out is a personal choice that should have zero barring on how we care for and help one another. For exa

by voxl 1y ago

Why do you think these two things are connected? Working out is a personal choice that should have zero barring on how we care for and help one another. For example, someone shouldn't have less access to healthcare because they don't or didn't work out. Democrats losing support can be explained by several reasons that have nothing to do with tackling healthcare. It can be the fact that it ended up being a weak half measure in comparison to the strong desire for a universal healthcare system. Or completely unrelated to healthcare altogether, like the Hilary Clinton scandal fiascos.

antonvs 1y ago
They're saying that convincing other people to do what's in their own interests is very difficult if they don't care. Working out is given as an example: it's obviously a beneficial activity, but that's not enough to convince many people to do it regularly. The claim then is that people don't care enough about having public healthcare (or are actively against it) for it to be a politically popular goal.
t-3 1y ago
> For example, someone shouldn't have less access to healthcare because they don't or didn't work out. One problem with this argument is that insurance companies disagree and nobody with any power in the US seems to want to move away from the "insurance provider" model.
jodrellblank 1y ago
> "the Hilary Clinton scandal fiascos" "Why do you see the speck in your neighbour's eye, but do not notice the plank in your own eye?"
- voxl 1y ago
  The lack of critical thinking skills on the internet never ceases to amaze me, like you having the gall to think Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama are anywhere close to having similar controversy surrounding their political careers.
  - Herring 1y ago
    It's not a factual statement. It's like saying "your mom's a whore". Showing her tax returns won't help. The correct response is to just ignore/abandon them, which actually pisses off narcissists more than you know.
  - jodrellblank 1y ago
    What does Obama have to do with anything? I was snarking at Trump supporters willing to handwave away 89 Wikipedia pages of Trump scandals "because of her emails" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Donald_Trump_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Donald_Trump_controve... (for reference, Hillary Clinton's list is less than half the size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_contr... and she was never POTUS)
    - Herring 1y ago
      I'm pretty sure both of you agree with each other ...

by voxl 1y ago

antonvs 1y ago

They're saying that convincing other people to do what's in their own interests is very difficult if they don't care. Working out is given as an example: it's obviously a beneficial activity, but that's not enough to convince many people to do it regularly. The claim then is that people don't care enough about having public healthcare (or are actively against it) for it to be a politically popular goal.

t-3 1y ago

> For example, someone shouldn't have less access to healthcare because they don't or didn't work out. One problem with this argument is that insurance companies disagree and nobody with any power in the US seems to want to move away from the "insurance provider" model.

jodrellblank 1y ago

> "the Hilary Clinton scandal fiascos" "Why do you see the speck in your neighbour's eye, but do not notice the plank in your own eye?"

voxl 1y ago
The lack of critical thinking skills on the internet never ceases to amaze me, like you having the gall to think Hilary Clinton and Barack Obama are anywhere close to having similar controversy surrounding their political careers.
- Herring 1y ago
  It's not a factual statement. It's like saying "your mom's a whore". Showing her tax returns won't help. The correct response is to just ignore/abandon them, which actually pisses off narcissists more than you know.
- jodrellblank 1y ago
  What does Obama have to do with anything? I was snarking at Trump supporters willing to handwave away 89 Wikipedia pages of Trump scandals "because of her emails" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Donald_Trump_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Donald_Trump_controve... (for reference, Hillary Clinton's list is less than half the size https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hillary_Clinton_contr... and she was never POTUS)
  - Herring 1y ago
    I'm pretty sure both of you agree with each other ...