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What's everyone's thoughts on the GHF? They're the only way that food officially enters Gaza. IDF is not supposed to be immediately present at the distribution

What's everyone's thoughts on the GHF? They're the only way that food officially enters Gaza. IDF is not supposed to be immediately present at the distribution sites, and yet are shooting civilians. As are contractors hired by GHF. In fact there are cases of nationals joining IDF for the explicit purpose of shooting civilians, seemingly. There are movements to disband the GHF, but how else would Gazans eat?

AuthAuth 1y ago
The reports that i've seen for most of those instances are reporting shootings of people on the way to a GHF site and one shooting at the site at night.
fahhem 1y ago
> how else would Gazans eat? UNRWA, WFP, etc. You know, the ones with decades of experience in Gaza and other war zones with sites, warehouses, and all the other infrastructure necessary to support a population under siege.
- nailer 1y ago
  > UNRWA The one that has a unique definiton of 'refugee' that doesn't correspond with UNs the normal definition of the term? Where many of the staff work for Hamas? Where their schools teach children to be martyrs? The one many countries have halted funding for because of this? If you want the UN, fine, UNHCR, the normal UN refugee agency.
  - bigyabai 1y ago
    Since when did the UN's definitions start mattering to Israel, all of the sudden? That's a new development I haven't heard yet, tell me more about it.
    - nailer 1y ago
      UNRWAs definition is different from UNHCR because it allows them to claim buildings in Gaza are ‘refugee camps’ and to claim refugee status for people who are safely resettled.
      - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
        Refugee camps in Palestine are distinct from normal city blocks. They are extremely crowded areas that were never meant to be permanent. If Israel had allowed the civilian population that it expelled at its founding to return home, then the camps would not have become permanent. But Israel refuses, because the refugees are Arab, and Israel is an ethno-religiously defined country.
        nailer 1y ago
        Refugee camps are permanent buildings and the only distinction is that they are called refugee camp for a made up definition of the term of refugee that is completely distinct from UNHCR, that’s how you know that these people are not refugees. if you don’t know that these people are not refugees do more research on UNRWA and UNHCR and then stop telling people that they are refugees when they are not refugees. gaza isn’t cramped you silly person, You can jump on TikTok or Instagram right now and see people having fun in cafés car dealerships and restaurants. you could also confirm that Arabs in Israel which are 20% of the population have more rights than arabs in any Arab country - there are Arab members of Parliament talking to other members of Parliament in Arabic in Parliament. Meanwhile, Arabs in most other states can’t even pick their own leaders, be gay, or leave islam safely. Is Israel, despite being more diverse than any other country in the middle east, the only ethno religious state you dislike or do you really hate the 22 arab states too (and presumably the 23rd arab state you are proposing)? Why is that?
        DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
        > Refugee camps are permanent buildings and the only distinction is that they are called refugee camp You can identify them from satellite images. They're extremely dense, squalid knots inside Palestinian cities that were never meant to be permanent. > made up definition of the term of refugee The Palestinians are refugees by any reasonable definition. They were kicked out of their homes by Israel, forced to flee, and have been stateless ever since. > gaza isn’t cramped you silly person, You can jump on TikTok or Instagram right now and see people having fun in cafés car dealerships and restaurants. Most buildings in Gaza have been leveled. You're like a person in 1943 who believes Nazi propaganda about how the Warsaw Ghetto is actually great. > you could also confirm that Arabs in Israel which are 20% of the population have more rights than arabs in any Arab country You're ignoring the millions of Arabs (called "Palestinians") who live under Israeli rule with no rights whatsoever. They can even be killed by Israeli settlers or soldiers with no consequences. > Why is that? You're so close to calling me an antisemite. Why not just say what you mean. And then I'll laugh in your face and inform you about my own background. This may be difficult to fathom, but most people are disgusted by seeing Israel's mass murder of Palestinians. Calling people antisemites isn't going to work anymore.
  - fahhem 1y ago
    What percentage of their staff works for Hamas? What's the proof they work for Hamas? Israel has provided 0 proof, only allegations, and even then it's only a handful of people in an organization of tens of thousands. That's literally better than the ratio of rapist to citizen in Israel. Numbers for proof: Israel claims 12 out of 30k (13k in Gaza), but the UN says only 9 "may have been involved". That's 0.1% of Palestinians in Gaza. There are 1.3k Israeli rapists in prison (not including the ones that fled the US to avoid prison) and 80% of rape allegations are closed without investigation. That's 0.1% of Israelis.
    - nailer 1y ago
      What do you mean by no proof? UNRWA has admitted that many of their staff members participated in Hamas attacks, they just dispute the amount. I’m sure you probably can guess it’s probably a large amount as the school systemically teach children to be martyrs - ie UNRWA openly supports terrorism - and you can easily confirm that for yourself.
      - fahhem 1y ago
        I mean the provided no proof to anyone, UNRWA did their own investigation and said "maybe". That's not conclusive, that's "we can't prove otherwise and we want to still be let in". Little did they know Israel was going to attack them all anyway.
        nailer 1y ago
        > UNRWA did their own investigation and said "maybe". That's not conclusive OK. If I ran a supoposed aid organization and someone unjustly accused my staff of being terrorists, I wouldn't say "maybe" but you do you.
        fahhem 1y ago
        It's tough to investigate during an invasion and subsequent siege and genocide, no? Let in some western journalists and you'll get a lot of those facts that are currently hard to come by.
  - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
    The Palestinian refugee problem is fairly unique in the modern world to begin with. Israel is arguably the last colonial state to be founded, at a time when colonialism was on the way out. The Israelis expelled a massive number of people into the surrounding countries, and have since refused to allow the Palestinians to return to their homes, which are inside what is now Israel. The Palestinians naturally want to return home, and the neighboring countries do not want to provide for millions of refugees created by Israel, so the Palestinians are in permanent limbo. The obvious solution would be for Israel to allow the Palestinians to return home, and to pay for their resettlement. But Israel refuses to do that, because the entire idea behind Israel is that the country must have a decisive Jewish majority. As for your various accusations against UNRWA, they're just a rehash of the standard Israeli propaganda against the agency. The actual reason why Israel dislikes UNRWA is because the existence of Palestinian refugees is a problem for Israel.
    - nailer 1y ago
      > The Israelis expelled a massive number of people into the surrounding countries, and have since refused to allow the Palestinians to return to their homes, which are inside what is now Israel. A huge part of the Exodus was the Arab league telling Arabs to leave their homes in 1948 while they destroyed the new Jewish state, because they didn’t just want Jordan and the proposed second Arab state from British Palestine they wanted everything from the river to the sea, which probably would’ve destroyed all the jewish people (witness all the violence pre-1948 from Arabs to Jews). Meanwhile, contrary to arab nationalist claims, ben gurion asked Arabs to stay and peacefully join the new country which is why Israel is 20% Arab. The other thing you’ve omitted is the greater number of Jews that were expelled from Arab states. you haven’t asked for them to be able to return either, but it’s probably not a good idea as they would be killed, as is typical for anybody who doesn’t follow or has left Islam in Arabic countries. Witness the current genocide against the druze people in Syria. saying my points are a rehash of standard propaganda is silly: anyone can verify that we know UNRWA staff are members of hamas, that UNRWA facilities are routinely used by Hamas, that UNRWA schools teach children to desire to be martyrs and that UNRWA has a different definition of refugee than UNHCR. The very obvious solution is UNRWA should be disbanded.
6yyyyyy 1y ago
The ideal answer is the UN sends in peacekeeping forces to kick out the IDF. That won't happen due to the USA. So in practice the answer to "How will the Gazans eat?" is "They won't."
- YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
  If the UN sent in peacekeepers the IDF would use them for target practice. It would be a total bloodbath. Leaving aside the horror of the thought, the only way to stop Israel's assault on Gaza with a military force is to summon one more powerful than the IDF. There are only a few nations in the world that have a military that could take on the IDF - the US, Russia, China, I'm not sure who else. None of those countries are even remotely likely to invade Israel to stop the IDF from massacring the Palestinians. Why would they? What would be in it for them? Even in WWII, Germany was not invaded to save the Jews from the Holocaust. That was a fortunate and welcome side-effect. But if the Nazis hadn't also invaded all their neighbours, and the Soviet Union, they could have well gone on and exterminated all the Jews in Europe unimpeded.
  - Zacharias030 1y ago
    Start with robust sanctions. It seems unlikely that the IDF will do anything to an international peace force operating in Gaza (not Israel) under a combined lead of France and the UK. Anyway, it would exactly only take one country - the US - to stop shipping weapons (to credibly threaten to stop) to bring this to an end so fast that you can‘t even finish breakfast.
    - sebzim4500 1y ago
      > It seems unlikely that the IDF will do anything to an international peace force operating in Gaza (not Israel) under a combined lead of France and the UK. Almost certainly true but it would be political suicide for either country to actually deploy troops to the area. Troops would be attacked either by Hamas or one of the other dozen terrorist organisations present in the area, some of which are allegedly backed by Israel. Any goodwill obtained internationally would evaporate as soon as the troops are forced to defend themselves and any goodwill obtained domestically would evaporate as soon as any troops died or were injured.
westpfelia 1y ago
the GHF is a IDF front pure and simple. They get to control food going in. They get to blame "surges" at food lines for why the IDF had to open fire with tanks. Its all a farce.
misja111 1y ago
If you check a map of Gaza and the GHF distribution locations, you will see that there are only 3 distribution points in entire Gaza. So in an area that hosts 2 million people. What's more, none of those 3 points are in the 2 area's that are appointed by Israel as safe havens. So they are not where most Gazans live. Which means they have to travel long distances to get food, through an area where they are considered free game by the IDF. > how else would Gazans eat? Have more distribution points, distributing more food, and inside the area's where Gazans live
geysersam 1y ago
> but how else would Gazans eat Lets be entirely clear that the food crisis in Gaza is manufactured. There is enough food and medicines available and there are several organizations capable of dealing with the logistics of handling out the food, main one among them of course being UNWRA. The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there. So the answer to the question is: Israel must let food trucks into Gaza and let serious humanitarian organizations with decades of experience handle the logistics of handing out the food. About 150-200 trucks needs to enter Gaza per day, that's a lot of trucks to inspect thoroughly, but not nearly infeasible.
- whadar 1y ago
  "The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there." This is not accurate to say the least. Trucks do get in but Hamas and armed groups control the supplies and prevent a fair distribution
  - aqme28 1y ago
    No. It’s pretty well-established that even if the distribution were perfect, there simply aren’t enough trucks going in.
  - fwsgonzo 1y ago
    This is a white lie.
    - BonnieBrown 1y ago
      Here's two recent videos I have seen suggesting otherwise. https://x.com/Osint613/status/1950181269972656328?t=4tWSy4m6FbEXEaEPRH2vgg&s=19 https://x.com/Osint613/status/1950181269972656328?t=4tWSy4m6... https://x.com/HamasAtrocities/status/1949444566165405731?t=MSethLl82C2Vbx0taZDwjg&s=19 https://x.com/HamasAtrocities/status/1949444566165405731?t=M...
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wk_end 1y ago
If we assume good faith on the part of the Israelis, and believe that the GHF is genuinely an attempt to feed the civilian population of Gaza without food and money making its way to Hamas, it's clearly totally inadequate. There are too few sites operating for too little time; it's a recipe for chaos and panic. There's been countless reports of violence on way to the sites; the IDF has made several excuses for this, but even if we assume good faith on the part of the Israelis here too, the excuses aren't good enough: it needs to be taking proactive steps to fix the problem instead of denying, deflecting, and passing the blame. It's a shame - if the GHF were being run well, it'd be a great first step in trying to win hearts and minds. But it's not. The other extreme is that it's an elaborate ruse to, frankly, put Gazans in positions where the IDF will be able to claim justification for killing them. This seems paranoid, but no more implausible than the alternatives. The sites open at the crack of dawn, Gazans rush to get ahead of the crowds because there aren't enough sites, so they travel through the dark in areas controlled by IDF where movement is forbidden before daybreak; the IDF shrugs and says, "well, there were unknown targets travelling through off-limit areas in the dark, we had to neutralize the potential threat". And at the sites themselves chaos inevitably ensues - because, again, there aren't enough sites - and violence is deployed to keep the crowds under control. But my suspicion regarding the GHF is that it's mostly just a half-assed attempt from Israel to try to get the international community off their back while they continue their siege effort to starve out the Gazans, and/or possibly a grift to enrich various friends of Bibi or Trump.
i_love_retros 1y ago
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- orbisvicis 1y ago
  If Americans pressure the GHF to shut down, does the situation get worse or better?
  - i_love_retros 1y ago
    The GHF is America.
    - orbisvicis 1y ago
      Doesn't mean it's not worth trying... but only if some good would come of it.
bitsage 1y ago
Israel clearly isn’t above letting Gazans starve, so it seems like a viable option, even if not ideal. Perhaps air drops should be the way forward to supplement whatever on ground aid is actually delivered. I think the outside world needs to stop posturing on what Israel should do and just get aid there however possible.

AuthAuth 1y ago

The reports that i've seen for most of those instances are reporting shootings of people on the way to a GHF site and one shooting at the site at night.

fahhem 1y ago

> how else would Gazans eat? UNRWA, WFP, etc. You know, the ones with decades of experience in Gaza and other war zones with sites, warehouses, and all the other infrastructure necessary to support a population under siege.

nailer 1y ago
> UNRWA The one that has a unique definiton of 'refugee' that doesn't correspond with UNs the normal definition of the term? Where many of the staff work for Hamas? Where their schools teach children to be martyrs? The one many countries have halted funding for because of this? If you want the UN, fine, UNHCR, the normal UN refugee agency.
- bigyabai 1y ago
  Since when did the UN's definitions start mattering to Israel, all of the sudden? That's a new development I haven't heard yet, tell me more about it.
  - nailer 1y ago
    UNRWAs definition is different from UNHCR because it allows them to claim buildings in Gaza are ‘refugee camps’ and to claim refugee status for people who are safely resettled.
    - DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
      Refugee camps in Palestine are distinct from normal city blocks. They are extremely crowded areas that were never meant to be permanent. If Israel had allowed the civilian population that it expelled at its founding to return home, then the camps would not have become permanent. But Israel refuses, because the refugees are Arab, and Israel is an ethno-religiously defined country.
      - nailer 1y ago
        Refugee camps are permanent buildings and the only distinction is that they are called refugee camp for a made up definition of the term of refugee that is completely distinct from UNHCR, that’s how you know that these people are not refugees. if you don’t know that these people are not refugees do more research on UNRWA and UNHCR and then stop telling people that they are refugees when they are not refugees. gaza isn’t cramped you silly person, You can jump on TikTok or Instagram right now and see people having fun in cafés car dealerships and restaurants. you could also confirm that Arabs in Israel which are 20% of the population have more rights than arabs in any Arab country - there are Arab members of Parliament talking to other members of Parliament in Arabic in Parliament. Meanwhile, Arabs in most other states can’t even pick their own leaders, be gay, or leave islam safely. Is Israel, despite being more diverse than any other country in the middle east, the only ethno religious state you dislike or do you really hate the 22 arab states too (and presumably the 23rd arab state you are proposing)? Why is that?
        DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
        > Refugee camps are permanent buildings and the only distinction is that they are called refugee camp You can identify them from satellite images. They're extremely dense, squalid knots inside Palestinian cities that were never meant to be permanent. > made up definition of the term of refugee The Palestinians are refugees by any reasonable definition. They were kicked out of their homes by Israel, forced to flee, and have been stateless ever since. > gaza isn’t cramped you silly person, You can jump on TikTok or Instagram right now and see people having fun in cafés car dealerships and restaurants. Most buildings in Gaza have been leveled. You're like a person in 1943 who believes Nazi propaganda about how the Warsaw Ghetto is actually great. > you could also confirm that Arabs in Israel which are 20% of the population have more rights than arabs in any Arab country You're ignoring the millions of Arabs (called "Palestinians") who live under Israeli rule with no rights whatsoever. They can even be killed by Israeli settlers or soldiers with no consequences. > Why is that? You're so close to calling me an antisemite. Why not just say what you mean. And then I'll laugh in your face and inform you about my own background. This may be difficult to fathom, but most people are disgusted by seeing Israel's mass murder of Palestinians. Calling people antisemites isn't going to work anymore.
- fahhem 1y ago
  What percentage of their staff works for Hamas? What's the proof they work for Hamas? Israel has provided 0 proof, only allegations, and even then it's only a handful of people in an organization of tens of thousands. That's literally better than the ratio of rapist to citizen in Israel. Numbers for proof: Israel claims 12 out of 30k (13k in Gaza), but the UN says only 9 "may have been involved". That's 0.1% of Palestinians in Gaza. There are 1.3k Israeli rapists in prison (not including the ones that fled the US to avoid prison) and 80% of rape allegations are closed without investigation. That's 0.1% of Israelis.
  - nailer 1y ago
    What do you mean by no proof? UNRWA has admitted that many of their staff members participated in Hamas attacks, they just dispute the amount. I’m sure you probably can guess it’s probably a large amount as the school systemically teach children to be martyrs - ie UNRWA openly supports terrorism - and you can easily confirm that for yourself.
    - fahhem 1y ago
      I mean the provided no proof to anyone, UNRWA did their own investigation and said "maybe". That's not conclusive, that's "we can't prove otherwise and we want to still be let in". Little did they know Israel was going to attack them all anyway.
      - nailer 1y ago
        > UNRWA did their own investigation and said "maybe". That's not conclusive OK. If I ran a supoposed aid organization and someone unjustly accused my staff of being terrorists, I wouldn't say "maybe" but you do you.
        fahhem 1y ago
        It's tough to investigate during an invasion and subsequent siege and genocide, no? Let in some western journalists and you'll get a lot of those facts that are currently hard to come by.
- DiogenesKynikos 1y ago
  The Palestinian refugee problem is fairly unique in the modern world to begin with. Israel is arguably the last colonial state to be founded, at a time when colonialism was on the way out. The Israelis expelled a massive number of people into the surrounding countries, and have since refused to allow the Palestinians to return to their homes, which are inside what is now Israel. The Palestinians naturally want to return home, and the neighboring countries do not want to provide for millions of refugees created by Israel, so the Palestinians are in permanent limbo. The obvious solution would be for Israel to allow the Palestinians to return home, and to pay for their resettlement. But Israel refuses to do that, because the entire idea behind Israel is that the country must have a decisive Jewish majority. As for your various accusations against UNRWA, they're just a rehash of the standard Israeli propaganda against the agency. The actual reason why Israel dislikes UNRWA is because the existence of Palestinian refugees is a problem for Israel.
  - nailer 1y ago
    > The Israelis expelled a massive number of people into the surrounding countries, and have since refused to allow the Palestinians to return to their homes, which are inside what is now Israel. A huge part of the Exodus was the Arab league telling Arabs to leave their homes in 1948 while they destroyed the new Jewish state, because they didn’t just want Jordan and the proposed second Arab state from British Palestine they wanted everything from the river to the sea, which probably would’ve destroyed all the jewish people (witness all the violence pre-1948 from Arabs to Jews). Meanwhile, contrary to arab nationalist claims, ben gurion asked Arabs to stay and peacefully join the new country which is why Israel is 20% Arab. The other thing you’ve omitted is the greater number of Jews that were expelled from Arab states. you haven’t asked for them to be able to return either, but it’s probably not a good idea as they would be killed, as is typical for anybody who doesn’t follow or has left Islam in Arabic countries. Witness the current genocide against the druze people in Syria. saying my points are a rehash of standard propaganda is silly: anyone can verify that we know UNRWA staff are members of hamas, that UNRWA facilities are routinely used by Hamas, that UNRWA schools teach children to desire to be martyrs and that UNRWA has a different definition of refugee than UNHCR. The very obvious solution is UNRWA should be disbanded.

6yyyyyy 1y ago

The ideal answer is the UN sends in peacekeeping forces to kick out the IDF. That won't happen due to the USA. So in practice the answer to "How will the Gazans eat?" is "They won't."

YeGoblynQueenne 1y ago
If the UN sent in peacekeepers the IDF would use them for target practice. It would be a total bloodbath. Leaving aside the horror of the thought, the only way to stop Israel's assault on Gaza with a military force is to summon one more powerful than the IDF. There are only a few nations in the world that have a military that could take on the IDF - the US, Russia, China, I'm not sure who else. None of those countries are even remotely likely to invade Israel to stop the IDF from massacring the Palestinians. Why would they? What would be in it for them? Even in WWII, Germany was not invaded to save the Jews from the Holocaust. That was a fortunate and welcome side-effect. But if the Nazis hadn't also invaded all their neighbours, and the Soviet Union, they could have well gone on and exterminated all the Jews in Europe unimpeded.
- Zacharias030 1y ago
  Start with robust sanctions. It seems unlikely that the IDF will do anything to an international peace force operating in Gaza (not Israel) under a combined lead of France and the UK. Anyway, it would exactly only take one country - the US - to stop shipping weapons (to credibly threaten to stop) to bring this to an end so fast that you can‘t even finish breakfast.
  - sebzim4500 1y ago
    > It seems unlikely that the IDF will do anything to an international peace force operating in Gaza (not Israel) under a combined lead of France and the UK. Almost certainly true but it would be political suicide for either country to actually deploy troops to the area. Troops would be attacked either by Hamas or one of the other dozen terrorist organisations present in the area, some of which are allegedly backed by Israel. Any goodwill obtained internationally would evaporate as soon as the troops are forced to defend themselves and any goodwill obtained domestically would evaporate as soon as any troops died or were injured.

westpfelia 1y ago

the GHF is a IDF front pure and simple. They get to control food going in. They get to blame "surges" at food lines for why the IDF had to open fire with tanks. Its all a farce.

misja111 1y ago

If you check a map of Gaza and the GHF distribution locations, you will see that there are only 3 distribution points in entire Gaza. So in an area that hosts 2 million people. What's more, none of those 3 points are in the 2 area's that are appointed by Israel as safe havens. So they are not where most Gazans live. Which means they have to travel long distances to get food, through an area where they are considered free game by the IDF. > how else would Gazans eat? Have more distribution points, distributing more food, and inside the area's where Gazans live

geysersam 1y ago

> but how else would Gazans eat Lets be entirely clear that the food crisis in Gaza is manufactured. There is enough food and medicines available and there are several organizations capable of dealing with the logistics of handling out the food, main one among them of course being UNWRA. The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there. So the answer to the question is: Israel must let food trucks into Gaza and let serious humanitarian organizations with decades of experience handle the logistics of handing out the food. About 150-200 trucks needs to enter Gaza per day, that's a lot of trucks to inspect thoroughly, but not nearly infeasible.

whadar 1y ago
"The only reason there is starvation in Gaza is because IDF is preventing aid from entering the territory and are refusing to let real humanitarian organizations work safely there." This is not accurate to say the least. Trucks do get in but Hamas and armed groups control the supplies and prevent a fair distribution
- aqme28 1y ago
  No. It’s pretty well-established that even if the distribution were perfect, there simply aren’t enough trucks going in.
- fwsgonzo 1y ago
  This is a white lie.
  - BonnieBrown 1y ago
    Here's two recent videos I have seen suggesting otherwise. https://x.com/Osint613/status/1950181269972656328?t=4tWSy4m6FbEXEaEPRH2vgg&s=19 https://x.com/Osint613/status/1950181269972656328?t=4tWSy4m6... https://x.com/HamasAtrocities/status/1949444566165405731?t=MSethLl82C2Vbx0taZDwjg&s=19 https://x.com/HamasAtrocities/status/1949444566165405731?t=M...
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wk_end 1y ago

If we assume good faith on the part of the Israelis, and believe that the GHF is genuinely an attempt to feed the civilian population of Gaza without food and money making its way to Hamas, it's clearly totally inadequate. There are too few sites operating for too little time; it's a recipe for chaos and panic. There's been countless reports of violence on way to the sites; the IDF has made several excuses for this, but even if we assume good faith on the part of the Israelis here too, the excuses aren't good enough: it needs to be taking proactive steps to fix the problem instead of denying, deflecting, and passing the blame. It's a shame - if the GHF were being run well, it'd be a great first step in trying to win hearts and minds. But it's not. The other extreme is that it's an elaborate ruse to, frankly, put Gazans in positions where the IDF will be able to claim justification for killing them. This seems paranoid, but no more implausible than the alternatives. The sites open at the crack of dawn, Gazans rush to get ahead of the crowds because there aren't enough sites, so they travel through the dark in areas controlled by IDF where movement is forbidden before daybreak; the IDF shrugs and says, "well, there were unknown targets travelling through off-limit areas in the dark, we had to neutralize the potential threat". And at the sites themselves chaos inevitably ensues - because, again, there aren't enough sites - and violence is deployed to keep the crowds under control. But my suspicion regarding the GHF is that it's mostly just a half-assed attempt from Israel to try to get the international community off their back while they continue their siege effort to starve out the Gazans, and/or possibly a grift to enrich various friends of Bibi or Trump.

i_love_retros 1y ago

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orbisvicis 1y ago
If Americans pressure the GHF to shut down, does the situation get worse or better?
- i_love_retros 1y ago
  The GHF is America.
  - orbisvicis 1y ago
    Doesn't mean it's not worth trying... but only if some good would come of it.

bitsage 1y ago

Israel clearly isn’t above letting Gazans starve, so it seems like a viable option, even if not ideal. Perhaps air drops should be the way forward to supplement whatever on ground aid is actually delivered. I think the outside world needs to stop posturing on what Israel should do and just get aid there however possible.