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»Does the establishment of a Jewish state [in only part of Palestine] advance or retard the conversion of this country into a Jewish country? My assumption (whi
by danbruc 1y ago
»Does the establishment of a Jewish state [in only part of Palestine] advance or retard the conversion of this country into a Jewish country? My assumption (which is why I am a fervent proponent of a state, even though it is now linked to partition) is that a Jewish state on only part of the land is not the end but the beginning.... This is because this increase in possession is of consequence not only in itself, but because through it we increase our strength, and every increase in strength helps in the possession of the land as a whole. The establishment of a state, even if only on a portion of the land, is the maximal reinforcement of our strength at the present time and a powerful boost to our historical endeavors to liberate the entire country.«
David Ben-Gurion, 1937
- zahlman 1y agoYou can draw a straight line through two points, but that doesn't mean the line is actually there.
- danbruc 1y agoHow many dots do we have to fill in? The next obvious one is settlement expansion, that certainly undermines the possibility of a two state solution.
- oa335 1y agoMeanwhile, two comments up you say "This cannot be reconciled with the meaning of the slogan "from the river to the sea"." ...
- zahlman 1y agoYes. There is no contradiction. "From the river to the sea", in English, means something different from "at the river and at the sea".
- oa335 1y agoIn response to > ... the Palestinians and Palestinian organizations - even including Hamas - have to varying degrees accepted or shown willingness to accept a Palestinian state that does not encompass all of Mandatory Palestine. you say > This cannot be reconciled with the meaning of the slogan "from the river to the sea". To which I quote > "You can draw a straight line through two points, but that doesn't mean the line is actually there."
- zahlman 1y agoAt what point in history has Hamas not used this slogan?
- oa335 1y agoI don't care about the usage of the slogan. I care about what Hamas has represented regarding their acceptance of a partial Palestinian state. Also, at what point in history has Likud not used this slogan? https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform... https://archive.is/EYGLU#selection-423.0-423.184 https://archive.is/EYGLU#selection-423.0-423.184 "The coalition agreements state that “the Jewish people have an exclusive right on all the land” between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. It doesn’t mention the Palestinians."