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> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. > hostages, The thousands of Palestinian "administrative detainees" held wi

> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. > hostages, The thousands of Palestinian "administrative detainees" held without charge in Israel, are not hostages?

dismalaf 1y ago
> Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. Hamas claimed non-Hamas groups and some civilians held hostages. Some hostages were found in captivity guarded by "civilians". Groups like PIJ held hostages. So what's a nice catch-all term for the above groups?
- sudopluto 1y ago
  terrorists? extremist groups? combatants? there is a large jump from hamas -> the entire population, including innocent civilians.
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    If you say some people who committed crimes are say, Americans, it means those people are Americans. Doesn't mean all Americans. So saying they're Gazans covers all the groups, it doesn't say all Gazans, just that the ones doing it are Gazans.
    - karim79 1y ago
      Alright, so based on that logic then: "Israelis have created a man-made starvation with particular emphasis on blocking baby formula and other life-saving essentials from Gaza." I'm not saying all Israelis. Just following your logic.
- karim79 1y ago
  Easy. It's a cheap generalisation, like "Israelis perpetuating man-made starvation in Gaza". No, it's not all Israelis. It's the IDF (IOF) under instruction from the maniacs in charge.
YetAnotherNick 1y ago
> 39% in Gaza supported the attacks by Hamas into Israel in October 2023 that triggered the conflict, 32 percentage points lower than six months earlier[1]. If 71% civilian supports some group, then it is not a terrorist group but a government, and using Gazans isn't an overreach. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-cease...
- karim79 1y ago
  So saying then >50% Israelis (conservatively) support starvation of Gazans is not an overreach. Also support for one group does not imply that all supporters take up arms in solidarity with said group.

> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. > hostages, The thousands of Palestinian "administrative detainees" held without charge in Israel, are not hostages?

dismalaf 1y ago

> Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. Hamas claimed non-Hamas groups and some civilians held hostages. Some hostages were found in captivity guarded by "civilians". Groups like PIJ held hostages. So what's a nice catch-all term for the above groups?

sudopluto 1y ago
terrorists? extremist groups? combatants? there is a large jump from hamas -> the entire population, including innocent civilians.
- dismalaf 1y ago
  If you say some people who committed crimes are say, Americans, it means those people are Americans. Doesn't mean all Americans. So saying they're Gazans covers all the groups, it doesn't say all Gazans, just that the ones doing it are Gazans.
  - karim79 1y ago
    Alright, so based on that logic then: "Israelis have created a man-made starvation with particular emphasis on blocking baby formula and other life-saving essentials from Gaza." I'm not saying all Israelis. Just following your logic.
karim79 1y ago
Easy. It's a cheap generalisation, like "Israelis perpetuating man-made starvation in Gaza". No, it's not all Israelis. It's the IDF (IOF) under instruction from the maniacs in charge.

YetAnotherNick 1y ago

> 39% in Gaza supported the attacks by Hamas into Israel in October 2023 that triggered the conflict, 32 percentage points lower than six months earlier[1]. If 71% civilian supports some group, then it is not a terrorist group but a government, and using Gazans isn't an overreach. [1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-ceasefire-wrangling-how-popular-is-hamas-in-gaza-now https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/11/amid-the-cease...

karim79 1y ago
So saying then >50% Israelis (conservatively) support starvation of Gazans is not an overreach. Also support for one group does not imply that all supporters take up arms in solidarity with said group.