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Honestly I find it kind of sickening how much people treat this conflict like picking a sports team. I’ve been saying that from the start - I feel for the civil

Honestly I find it kind of sickening how much people treat this conflict like picking a sports team. I’ve been saying that from the start - I feel for the civilians caught in the middle of this conflict, from both Israel and Gaza. I’ve caught flak from both sides for saying so. Some people seem deadset on making an enemy of nuance.

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csallen 1y ago
Ideology is basically the opposite of nuance.
aqme28 1y ago
I see your point, but it can also be frustrating when people “both-sides” every atrocity. It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting.
- josephg 1y ago
  I guess. But, the conflict in the middle east is insanely complex. Anyone claiming you can simplify the situation into "good guys" vs "bad guys" just doesn't understand the history of the region. Or they're lying about it, because they want a sports team. > It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting. Eh. I hear that as a less articulate, more annoying way to say "I care more generally about police violence more than police violence against black people, specifically." Seems reasonable to me, even if people bring it up in an oblique way.
- vharuck 1y ago
  It's less "both sides" and more "two of the four sides." There is Hamas, the weak but fanatical terrorist organization, the powerful and cruel ruling Israeli administration and military, the Palestinian citizens struggling to survive, and the Israeli citizens. The latter two are mostly not committing crimes against humanity¹. By the laws of war Israel signed into, civilians should be protected. Civilians are not parties in a war 1: The violent Israeli settlers, if certain accounts are true, are committing crimes against humanity. But you can't punish every Israeli just because they share nationality with a criminal. Just like we shouldn't starve Palestinians who live in the same area as Hamas.
  - aqme28 1y ago
    I haven't seen any proposal that seeks to punish regular Israeli citizens. Is there anything specific you're referring to?
    - vharuck 1y ago
      No. I'm just saying we should remember that regular Palestinian citizens deserve the same compassion and support as the regular Israeli citizens.
sneak 1y ago
That’s how every war since the beginning of time has worked. Most people aren’t into mass murder until you dehumanize the “bad guys” and make it a team vs team thing. Look at how many Americans clamor for the mass murder of enslaved Russian teenagers.

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csallen 1y ago

Ideology is basically the opposite of nuance.

aqme28 1y ago

I see your point, but it can also be frustrating when people “both-sides” every atrocity. It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting.

josephg 1y ago
I guess. But, the conflict in the middle east is insanely complex. Anyone claiming you can simplify the situation into "good guys" vs "bad guys" just doesn't understand the history of the region. Or they're lying about it, because they want a sports team. > It’s sort of like saying “All Lives Matter” at every police shooting. Eh. I hear that as a less articulate, more annoying way to say "I care more generally about police violence more than police violence against black people, specifically." Seems reasonable to me, even if people bring it up in an oblique way.
vharuck 1y ago
It's less "both sides" and more "two of the four sides." There is Hamas, the weak but fanatical terrorist organization, the powerful and cruel ruling Israeli administration and military, the Palestinian citizens struggling to survive, and the Israeli citizens. The latter two are mostly not committing crimes against humanity¹. By the laws of war Israel signed into, civilians should be protected. Civilians are not parties in a war 1: The violent Israeli settlers, if certain accounts are true, are committing crimes against humanity. But you can't punish every Israeli just because they share nationality with a criminal. Just like we shouldn't starve Palestinians who live in the same area as Hamas.
- aqme28 1y ago
  I haven't seen any proposal that seeks to punish regular Israeli citizens. Is there anything specific you're referring to?
  - vharuck 1y ago
    No. I'm just saying we should remember that regular Palestinian citizens deserve the same compassion and support as the regular Israeli citizens.

sneak 1y ago

That’s how every war since the beginning of time has worked. Most people aren’t into mass murder until you dehumanize the “bad guys” and make it a team vs team thing. Look at how many Americans clamor for the mass murder of enslaved Russian teenagers.