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This is why I immediately nope out of anything that requests a copy of a photo ID.

by dlcarrier 1y ago

iszomer 1y ago
Especially the IRS? eg, ID.me?
- zamadatix 1y ago
  Most people don't actually require ID.me to deal with the IRS, even if e-filing.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    If you lost your last return and need to request a transcript, I think it's your only option
- fc417fc802 1y ago
  I mean yeah, I'm extremely uncomfortable with commercial ID solutions when accessing government services. When I can I even avoid government websites that have captchas or other third party resources on them but that's becoming increasingly unworkable. It's absurd that I should be required to leak my personal information to third parties in order to make use of a government service (ie something with no competition that I am legally obligated to use). For the IRS it doesn't even make sense because I can drop paper forms in the mail. Don't need any ID whatsoever for that.
  - iszomer 1y ago
    I don't trust dropping any PII/payment-related forms in the mail either, stemmed from a recent experience in which a NYC's DoF had used my information to pay for services on my behalf without authorization.
paulpauper 1y ago
maybe AI will become good enough to create realistic IDs
- gypak 1y ago
  Will..? Bruh, it HAS. Since about 1.5years ago.
klipklop 1y ago
Seems like Western governments are pushing for this to be the default to interact with almost any website soon enough. You know, to "protect the children." Soon you will have to nope out of the entire internet.
dom96 1y ago
Then how do you live in this world? You cannot avoid providing a copy of your photo ID to someone at some point in your life. We really need some sort of standard for sharing specific and limited authenticated info about ourselves to third-party websites that doesn't require sharing a full photo ID.
- WD-42 1y ago
  You use judgement. I’d upload my id to a passport renewal site provided by the govt. Some private app for rating other human beings? Nope.
  - tough 1y ago
    you have higher trust in your government IT services than I do on mine
    - WD-42 1y ago
      Well I hope you didn’t trust this particular private app!
    - BobaFloutist 1y ago
      I mean if my government IT services are idiots they could easily leak a digital copy of my ID without me having to provide said digital copy. Providing a digital copy of my ID to someone who otherwise would have no copy of my ID, digital or otherwise, is a different matter.
- fc417fc802 1y ago
  You can't avoid it, but you can choose to refuse unless there is a legitimate need for it. Very few brick and mortar interactions require it, and at least historically a copy wasn't retained but rather verified on the spot by the business agent. We really don't need a standard for sharing it online, at least nothing easy for businesses to implement. There are very few legitimate scenarios for an online service to ask for that. Online pharmacy, online signup with a bank, and online government interactions are the only that immediately come to mind. I'm not even sure that the pharmacy case is legitimate now that I think about it. I don't need ID when I go in person. The prescriber can validate the mailing address for them.
tbrownaw 1y ago
Last time I did a certification exam (CKA) I had to provide an ID to the online proctoring people.
gruez 1y ago
Any sort of fintech (including crypto exchanges) is going to require photo ID scans (and possibly even some sort of live selfie stream, to make sure the scan isn't from some leak) for KYC reasons.
- rsync 1y ago
  Our common, accepted knowledge - and what we should demand - is that all KYC be concentrated in actual banks. Actual banks (not fintech barnacles) enjoy a very privileged position in terms of verifying identity and legal mechanisms afforded to them. If a non-bank actor can verify against an actual bank, that should be enough… It is absurd that, for instance, a small saas/iaas provider should perform any form of KYC when we can match a successful payment against a bank.

This is why I immediately nope out of anything that requests a copy of a photo ID.

iszomer 1y ago

Especially the IRS? eg, ID.me?

zamadatix 1y ago
Most people don't actually require ID.me to deal with the IRS, even if e-filing.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  If you lost your last return and need to request a transcript, I think it's your only option
fc417fc802 1y ago
I mean yeah, I'm extremely uncomfortable with commercial ID solutions when accessing government services. When I can I even avoid government websites that have captchas or other third party resources on them but that's becoming increasingly unworkable. It's absurd that I should be required to leak my personal information to third parties in order to make use of a government service (ie something with no competition that I am legally obligated to use). For the IRS it doesn't even make sense because I can drop paper forms in the mail. Don't need any ID whatsoever for that.
- iszomer 1y ago
  I don't trust dropping any PII/payment-related forms in the mail either, stemmed from a recent experience in which a NYC's DoF had used my information to pay for services on my behalf without authorization.

paulpauper 1y ago

maybe AI will become good enough to create realistic IDs

gypak 1y ago
Will..? Bruh, it HAS. Since about 1.5years ago.

klipklop 1y ago

Seems like Western governments are pushing for this to be the default to interact with almost any website soon enough. You know, to "protect the children." Soon you will have to nope out of the entire internet.

dom96 1y ago

Then how do you live in this world? You cannot avoid providing a copy of your photo ID to someone at some point in your life. We really need some sort of standard for sharing specific and limited authenticated info about ourselves to third-party websites that doesn't require sharing a full photo ID.

WD-42 1y ago
You use judgement. I’d upload my id to a passport renewal site provided by the govt. Some private app for rating other human beings? Nope.
- tough 1y ago
  you have higher trust in your government IT services than I do on mine
  - WD-42 1y ago
    Well I hope you didn’t trust this particular private app!
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    I mean if my government IT services are idiots they could easily leak a digital copy of my ID without me having to provide said digital copy. Providing a digital copy of my ID to someone who otherwise would have no copy of my ID, digital or otherwise, is a different matter.
fc417fc802 1y ago
You can't avoid it, but you can choose to refuse unless there is a legitimate need for it. Very few brick and mortar interactions require it, and at least historically a copy wasn't retained but rather verified on the spot by the business agent. We really don't need a standard for sharing it online, at least nothing easy for businesses to implement. There are very few legitimate scenarios for an online service to ask for that. Online pharmacy, online signup with a bank, and online government interactions are the only that immediately come to mind. I'm not even sure that the pharmacy case is legitimate now that I think about it. I don't need ID when I go in person. The prescriber can validate the mailing address for them.

tbrownaw 1y ago

Last time I did a certification exam (CKA) I had to provide an ID to the online proctoring people.

gruez 1y ago

Any sort of fintech (including crypto exchanges) is going to require photo ID scans (and possibly even some sort of live selfie stream, to make sure the scan isn't from some leak) for KYC reasons.

rsync 1y ago
Our common, accepted knowledge - and what we should demand - is that all KYC be concentrated in actual banks. Actual banks (not fintech barnacles) enjoy a very privileged position in terms of verifying identity and legal mechanisms afforded to them. If a non-bank actor can verify against an actual bank, that should be enough… It is absurd that, for instance, a small saas/iaas provider should perform any form of KYC when we can match a successful payment against a bank.