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So not related to 10's of thousands of civilian deaths at all?

by NomDePlum 1y ago

thenaturalist 1y ago
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- selimthegrim 1y ago
  The article gets some minor biographical details wrong but seems well supported otherwise, however it does describe Israeli roadblocks to the mission.
- cholantesh 1y ago
  A separate set of recommendations for anyone sincerely making this argument: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
ars 1y ago
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- NomDePlum 1y ago
  Source please.
  - ars 1y ago
    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/14/lebanons-pm-designate-nawaf-salam-promises-to-rescue-reform-and-rebuild https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/14/lebanons-pm-designa... Quote: Referring to Israel, Salam said he would work to “impose the complete withdrawal of the enemy from the last occupied inch of our land”. Hardly an unbiased choice to lead the ICJ.
    - cholantesh 1y ago
      Very interesting choice of yours to omit the context, in which Hezbollah also drew his ire. Surely a coincidence and not a product of bias, though, right?
      - ars 1y ago
        It's fine for him to talk how he wants, it's not fine for him to be the person in charge of investigating Israel if he considers it to be the enemy. And if he considers Hezbollah the enemy, he should not be investigating them either.
        cholantesh 1y ago
        Good news, he isn't; he resigned in order to take his appointment as the Lebanese PM, in which capacity he was speaking in the article you linked. Any more thinly veiled ad hominems you'd like to throw around?
asdefghyk 1y ago
re ... 10's of thousands of civilian deaths at all..." Would be a large percentage of Hamas fighter s too.
- cholantesh 1y ago
  So, collective punishment, further making the ICJ and ICC cases.
  - asdefghyk 1y ago
    No, but deliberate exaggeration of number of civilian deaths
    - NomDePlum 1y ago
      All indicators are that it's a dramatic undercount of both total deaths and obviously civilian deaths. Total deaths of up to 400,000 are now being put forward with persuasive rationale. That Israel will not allow external parties in firmly places the burden to disprove on them. Propaganda whitewashing of deaths is not acceptable.

So not related to 10's of thousands of civilian deaths at all?

thenaturalist 1y ago

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selimthegrim 1y ago
The article gets some minor biographical details wrong but seems well supported otherwise, however it does describe Israeli roadblocks to the mission.
cholantesh 1y ago
A separate set of recommendations for anyone sincerely making this argument: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

ars 1y ago

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NomDePlum 1y ago
Source please.
- ars 1y ago
  https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/14/lebanons-pm-designate-nawaf-salam-promises-to-rescue-reform-and-rebuild https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/14/lebanons-pm-designa... Quote: Referring to Israel, Salam said he would work to “impose the complete withdrawal of the enemy from the last occupied inch of our land”. Hardly an unbiased choice to lead the ICJ.
  - cholantesh 1y ago
    Very interesting choice of yours to omit the context, in which Hezbollah also drew his ire. Surely a coincidence and not a product of bias, though, right?
    - ars 1y ago
      It's fine for him to talk how he wants, it's not fine for him to be the person in charge of investigating Israel if he considers it to be the enemy. And if he considers Hezbollah the enemy, he should not be investigating them either.
      - cholantesh 1y ago
        Good news, he isn't; he resigned in order to take his appointment as the Lebanese PM, in which capacity he was speaking in the article you linked. Any more thinly veiled ad hominems you'd like to throw around?

asdefghyk 1y ago

re ... 10's of thousands of civilian deaths at all..." Would be a large percentage of Hamas fighter s too.

cholantesh 1y ago
So, collective punishment, further making the ICJ and ICC cases.
- asdefghyk 1y ago
  No, but deliberate exaggeration of number of civilian deaths
  - NomDePlum 1y ago
    All indicators are that it's a dramatic undercount of both total deaths and obviously civilian deaths. Total deaths of up to 400,000 are now being put forward with persuasive rationale. That Israel will not allow external parties in firmly places the burden to disprove on them. Propaganda whitewashing of deaths is not acceptable.