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> How do Jewish people accept the genocide going on right now? Israel is predominately Jewish in religion and ethnicity, but Israel does not represent all Jewi

> How do Jewish people accept the genocide going on right now? Israel is predominately Jewish in religion and ethnicity, but Israel does not represent all Jewish people. While I am not Jewish, I would imagine some might find to conflation to be highly offensive.

pphysch 1y ago
> I would imagine some might find to conflation to be highly offensive. Yes, with the huge caveat that the leading architects of the conflation are pro-Israeli activists. Using Judaism as a human-shield.
- hirvi74 1y ago
  The person I was responding to was unlikely a pro-Israeli activist, so I am not certain why you felt compelled to mention your caveat. Are you implying that because pro-Israeli activist allegedly created the conflation that others are justified in perpetuating it? I literally wrote that Israel does not represent all Jewish people. Yet, you beeline straight to mentioning pro-Israeli activist. It doesn't matter who created the irrational conflation or not. People need to stop perpetuating it.
  - pphysch 1y ago
    It's absolutely critical context in a rhetorical environment where "antisemitism" has been drained of meaning. Not sure where your hostile reaction is coming from.
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        hirvi74 1y ago
        I am sorry, but I have no further interest in this discussion with you. This conversation will only grow more counterproductive. I hope we can have better discussions on different topics in the future. Take care and be well.
NomDePlum 1y ago
It's obviously not all Jewish people, but there are unfortunately many Jewish communities who are very supportive of the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Particularly in the US it's something that has allowed what is happening to continue almost exclusively unopposed. More generally the West has morally failed, so certainly not exclusive to any religion. That the term anti-Semitism is constantly used to deflect or tar those objecting to Israels mass killing of civilians really is equally offensive I would suggest.
- hirvi74 1y ago
  > It's obviously not all Jewish people Really? Because the initial GP comment did not parameterize Jewish people which hold certain views. The GP comment just said, "How do Jewish people accept the genocide going on right now?" > That the term anti-Semitism is constantly used to deflect or tar those objecting to Israels mass killing of civilians really is equally offensive I would suggest. Ok? I nor anyone else at the time of this comment called the GP an anti-semite, so I am not sure why you feel compelled to mention this point. The entire point of my initial comment was to bring attention to the attempt to paint entire, non-monolithic group of people with such a large brush. If you want to argue about the rhetoric used in pro-Palestinian vs. pro-Israeli online-discourse, then I implore you to find another comment. I imagine there likely some in this very thread.
  - NomDePlum 1y ago
    On the first point of your reply I was agreeing with you, but also felt the need to expand to draw the distinction that a good many people of the Jewish faith actively defend the ongoing genocide and Israel. On your second point, my follow up comment on anti-Semitism being weaponised feels wholly appropriate in this context. If you can bring attention to something you feel is directly relevant to the conversation I'm not sure why you would not allow me to do the same.

pphysch 1y ago

> I would imagine some might find to conflation to be highly offensive. Yes, with the huge caveat that the leading architects of the conflation are pro-Israeli activists. Using Judaism as a human-shield.

hirvi74 1y ago
The person I was responding to was unlikely a pro-Israeli activist, so I am not certain why you felt compelled to mention your caveat. Are you implying that because pro-Israeli activist allegedly created the conflation that others are justified in perpetuating it? I literally wrote that Israel does not represent all Jewish people. Yet, you beeline straight to mentioning pro-Israeli activist. It doesn't matter who created the irrational conflation or not. People need to stop perpetuating it.
- pphysch 1y ago
  It's absolutely critical context in a rhetorical environment where "antisemitism" has been drained of meaning. Not sure where your hostile reaction is coming from.
  - hirvi74 1y ago
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      - hirvi74 1y ago
        I am sorry, but I have no further interest in this discussion with you. This conversation will only grow more counterproductive. I hope we can have better discussions on different topics in the future. Take care and be well.

NomDePlum 1y ago

It's obviously not all Jewish people, but there are unfortunately many Jewish communities who are very supportive of the ongoing genocide in Gaza. Particularly in the US it's something that has allowed what is happening to continue almost exclusively unopposed. More generally the West has morally failed, so certainly not exclusive to any religion. That the term anti-Semitism is constantly used to deflect or tar those objecting to Israels mass killing of civilians really is equally offensive I would suggest.

hirvi74 1y ago
> It's obviously not all Jewish people Really? Because the initial GP comment did not parameterize Jewish people which hold certain views. The GP comment just said, "How do Jewish people accept the genocide going on right now?" > That the term anti-Semitism is constantly used to deflect or tar those objecting to Israels mass killing of civilians really is equally offensive I would suggest. Ok? I nor anyone else at the time of this comment called the GP an anti-semite, so I am not sure why you feel compelled to mention this point. The entire point of my initial comment was to bring attention to the attempt to paint entire, non-monolithic group of people with such a large brush. If you want to argue about the rhetoric used in pro-Palestinian vs. pro-Israeli online-discourse, then I implore you to find another comment. I imagine there likely some in this very thread.
- NomDePlum 1y ago
  On the first point of your reply I was agreeing with you, but also felt the need to expand to draw the distinction that a good many people of the Jewish faith actively defend the ongoing genocide and Israel. On your second point, my follow up comment on anti-Semitism being weaponised feels wholly appropriate in this context. If you can bring attention to something you feel is directly relevant to the conversation I'm not sure why you would not allow me to do the same.