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Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cau

Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause [1], they're still fighting, the UN refused to distribute aid because they were getting attacked [2], and Israel unilaterally pulling out of Gaza and leaving them to govern themselves is literally what led to October 7th... 1 - https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israel-ceasefire-hostage-talks-intl https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/11/middleeast/sinwar-hamas-israe... 2 - https://www.wfp.org/news/un-food-agency-pauses-deliveries-north-gaza https://www.wfp.org/news/un-food-agency-pauses-deliveries-no... Edit - I love it. Down votes instead of responding to this comment's question. Again, what's your solution people? Edit 2 - is this really a good use of the flagging tool? Is this what HN is about?

9dev 1y ago
Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? By the way, I don’t see criticism of Israel, but Israel’s current extremist government. I’d even argue that supporting Israel means opposing that administration.
- dismalaf 1y ago
  > Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? So answer the question with your solution.
  - 9dev 1y ago
    No, that's a logical fallacy. I can be against something obviously wrong without offering an alternative action. In fact, this is a case of "something needs to be done, this is something, so this must be done". Wrong. Doing nothing—not starving Gaza—was also an option; one that the Israeli government decided against. They are responsible for the current situation.
    - exodust 1y ago
      > "They are responsible for the current situation." Pretty sure the people responsible are the ones hijacking aid trucks and causing security problems in distribution areas. Hamas has a long history of misdirecting aid from the Gazan population; stealing, oppressing, punishing, exploiting, and that's from before the war as commonly reported by UN sources and humanitarian groups over the years.
      - 9dev 1y ago
        I want to see the Hamas agents diverting food from a starving mass of civilians. They'd get ripped to shreds in the attempt.
        gryzzly 1y ago
        they rip the civilians carrying the aid to shreds. it is easy if you have ak47 and the civilian doesn’t.
- rendall 1y ago
  "The solution is certainty not x" is not a solution. Saying "it's not x" is easy. If you really believe that Gazans are being starved, then save them by coming up with a great solution for Israel. Let's hear what you think Israel should do.
  - Ericson2314 1y ago
    That is not how "don't do war crimes" works. It's incumbent upon Israel to find an alternative.
    - dmix 1y ago
      That would probably require some serious infrastructure to set up secure food distribution points, which I'm assuming isn't easy because the locations have to change as the evacuation areas also constantly changimg. From the video it looks like they only have some berms and small fences so I'd imagine it's a dangerous security situation. Although having way more food/distribution points might help reduce the violent mobs.
      - 9dev 1y ago
        Do you realise how incredibly cynical you sound? We're not discussing the finer details of a logistical challenge here, but the fate of people starving to death. People that by and large are innocent. Also: It'd require infrastructure that did exist before the IDF destroyed it. To feed people that weren't hungry before Israel blocked humanitarian aid. Don't reverse the guilt.
        rendall 1y ago
        Coming up with a solution sounds cynical to you? It's a solution. What do you suggest?
    - rendall 1y ago
      Let's assume for the sake of argument that Israel has decided to starve out Gazans in order to end the war. You have the choice to save them by offering a better solution. What is it? "Not X!" is a copout. Unfortunately for that perspective, finding a good solution means diving in and understanding the conflict from the Israeli perspective.
- givemeethekeys 1y ago
  Maybe they are not starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA
  - 9dev 1y ago
    Maybe you place your trust in reliable media all over the world instead of random YouTube videos. Journalists are in Gaza right now, putting their life on the line to show you the ground truth—and you dismiss all that due to a channel called "travelingisrael"?
    - exodust 1y ago
      > "to show you the ground truth" Sounds like "traveling gaza" is your preferred source over "traveling israel". No difference. Well, there's some differences... There aren't any foreign journalists in Gaza and the "truth" is certainly not a strong point in reporting lines from Islamist controlled war zones.
      - 9dev 1y ago
        https://www.instagram.com/p/DMfBbO6Mb3I/?img_index=2 https://www.instagram.com/p/DMfBbO6Mb3I/?img_index=2 I certainly trust Reuters and AFP over a YouTuber, yes. Their local journalists have a track record of professionalism, they aren't activists under control of the Hamas. Besides, are you honestly proposing there's any kind of regime in control of Gaza right now..?
        exodust 1y ago
        The Gaza Health Ministry is the main source of data you read about in Reuters and AFP. Hamas also runs a media office that provides official statements on airstrikes, casualties and other events. They have a history of suppressing and intimidating journalists, and they have a history of propaganda. There are no foreign journalists in Gaza. The journalists you're referring to are Palestinian freelance journalists. Those journalists are working in a media landscape controlled by terrorists. For example they wouldn't be permitted to report back to Reuters about Hamas policing or regrouping.
daveguy 1y ago
To your edit: feed the people in Gaza, and don't commit war crimes. At this point Israel should be guaranteeing safe passage of food aid in Gaza.
unwise-exe 1y ago
>>> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, I believe that capturing POWs is fairly common when at war.
- zdragnar 1y ago
  Capturing soldiers, sure, but that's not what happened. The whole point of capturing soldiers is to keep them from returning to the field. You deny the other side fighters. Hamas raped, murdered and kidnapped civilians.
  - FireBeyond 1y ago
    There are hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilian "administrative detainees" who would love to know why you're not as concerned about them being held.
    - jraby3 1y ago
      Link to show hundreds of thousands of detainees in Israel? That seems like a massive exaggeration.
- Pigalowda 1y ago
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lmm 1y ago
> Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? At a minimum stop funding them, stop selling weapons to them, at an absolute minimum repeal the rules against boycotting them. Yes that wouldn't be a complete solution but it would be a step in the right direction.
karim79 1y ago
> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. > hostages, The thousands of Palestinian "administrative detainees" held without charge in Israel, are not hostages?
- dismalaf 1y ago
  > Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. Hamas claimed non-Hamas groups and some civilians held hostages. Some hostages were found in captivity guarded by "civilians". Groups like PIJ held hostages. So what's a nice catch-all term for the above groups?
  - sudopluto 1y ago
    terrorists? extremist groups? combatants? there is a large jump from hamas -> the entire population, including innocent civilians.
    - dismalaf 1y ago
      If you say some people who committed crimes are say, Americans, it means those people are Americans. Doesn't mean all Americans. So saying they're Gazans covers all the groups, it doesn't say all Gazans, just that the ones doing it are Gazans.
      - karim79 1y ago
        Alright, so based on that logic then: "Israelis have created a man-made starvation with particular emphasis on blocking baby formula and other life-saving essentials from Gaza." I'm not saying all Israelis. Just following your logic.
  - karim79 1y ago
    Easy. It's a cheap generalisation, like "Israelis perpetuating man-made starvation in Gaza". No, it's not all Israelis. It's the IDF (IOF) under instruction from the maniacs in charge.
- 1y ago
insane_dreamer 1y ago
stop bombing, killing, and starving civilians for starters; the long-term solution is the two-state solution but you can't get there if the population is either dead or scattered (which is what Israel successfully did in 1948 and is now trying to finish it off) So don't do this "what's the solution??" while tens of thousands are being killed and starved.
ajb 1y ago
This is actually a valid question*, although you probably won't like the answer. One side will concede in a war if there are no gains to be had, and conceding will stem the losses. So at a minimum, the side that wants a victorious peace has to credibly promise not to kill the women and children of the other side. At the moment, Israel is unable to credibly promise that, and it's difficult to see how in the short term it can generate any such credibility. So external parties such as the US need to form part of the commitment mechanism. Under both Biden and Trump, the US has neglected it's responsibility to do that. *Apart from implying that civilian Gazans are responsible for the hostages
- tayo42 1y ago
  Why? It would be terrible politically for Israel to keep attacking Palestine if Palestine and hamas agreed to peace. All of the ambiguity of right and wrong would be gone.
  - lazyasciiart 1y ago
    But Israel does that constantly, because they say the peace that Hamas agreed to doesn’t count. And the peace offer that Israel is waiting for is basically every male over 16 handed over for interrogation as Hamas members, with the chances of survival for actual Hamas leaders being about none.
    - Jensson 1y ago
      Do you think USA would agree to peace with Nazi Germany or Japan without being allowed to root out all the Nazis or Japanese extremists? WWII was ended in an extremely brutal way, but it did work and effectively ended the genocidal extremism in both Japan and Germany.
      - lazyasciiart 1y ago
        Wow that’s super unrelated to the comment I was responding to, was it in the wrong place by accident?
protocolture 1y ago
>Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Return the refugees to their land and disband the settlements (west bank too). Cash payouts for palestinian refugees to rebuild their homes whether returned to previously occupied lands or just needing to rebuild gaza itself. After reintegrating the civilian population they can go on an anti hamas witch hunt. And Hamas can be put on trial at the hague next to bibi and gvir. Easy.
grandiego 1y ago
Hope some day Muslims (in all Arab countries) just accept the right of Israel to exist. Else, this attack/retaliation dynamic will continue for ever, with people taking sides from a blob of propaganda channels disguised in news platforms.
- okucu 1y ago
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crystal_revenge 1y ago
> Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause The fact that Israel has no problem creating these civilian deaths is part of the problem. If you claim "human shields" you lose all credibly when you shoot nonetheless. It genuinely horrifying that you accept "well they made us kill all those kids". This would be easy to see if you accepted the Palestinian people as, well, people. > Again, what's your solution people? Two states, stop holding a people in a perpetual refugee camp and you might be surprised and how much less they fight you. And, if you really have two states, then there's a framework for retaliation if it comes to that.
- Jensson 1y ago
  > Two states, stop holding a people in a perpetual refugee camp and you might be surprised and how much less they fight you. And, if you really have two states, then there's a framework for retaliation if it comes to that. This was Israel's solution, its the other side that keeps rejecting this solution and has been rejecting it for many generations now. So after 70 years of that it makes sense Israel are fed up with trying to ask for two state solution, because the other side will never agree that wont work, they have to solve it in another way.
  - FireBeyond 1y ago
    > This was Israel's solution, its the other side that keeps rejecting this solution and has been rejecting it for many generations now. Arafat and the PLA/PLO, let's be clear, were responsible for many terrorist atrocities. But let's not forget, their softening, and efforts at the negotiation table, put the Israel far right in a tough spot. Questions were really starting to get awkward - "Arafat is negotiating and making concessions, so why isn't Israel?" That's when Netanyahu and his buddies decided that Israel needed to start supporting Hamas, because Hamas was more hardline than the PLO. And their rise would make it easy to deflect blame away from Israel for being unwilling to explore the peace process.
  - splintercell 1y ago
    It's not even that. When Palestinians had widespread Arab support and their position was stronger, they kept on rejecting the two-state solution. Now, the situation is such that Israel can unilaterally get a one-state solution, so they're asking for a two-state solution.
croes 1y ago
If more civilian death help Hamas why does Israel‘s government help getting more dead civilians?
rixed 1y ago
Are you seriously asking for what's the alternative to the bombing of tens of thousands of innocent people because some hostages were taken?
- dismalaf 1y ago
  If it's so obvious give your alternative.
  - coffeeboy27 1y ago
    Not the OP but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say not bombing civilians, in general, is a path exploring.
    - dismalaf 1y ago
      Ok. So you stop bombing. How do you get the hostages back? Do you just abandon them? You still answered with a negative, not a real answer.
      - rixed 1y ago
        How do you get the hostages back with the bombing? Oh, you are going to say, "that's to prevent future fighters from capturing future hostages", I guess? But wait, we know that today's bombings are making future fighters, so, really, what's the plan?? You know, the evening of the 9/11 I remember spending the whole night depressing, thinking "omg, now the US are going to wage war all around the globe, my son will grow up in a terrible place". Because how could the military behemoth answer in any other way? And sure enough, that's what happened. After the 7th of October, I had similar thoughts: "omg, now Israel is going to act stupid and make Jews hated again". I've lost friends who had to leave my country because of antisemitism. I've also had my life threatened by right wing extremist zionists. So at least take my words on this: The first and most natural answer to violence and hated is more violence and hatred, universally. If that's not what you want for the next generation make the first move to stop it.
      - 1y ago
misja111 1y ago
There's an offer from Hamas on the table for a total ceasefire and release of all hostages. The solution is to accept it. If at any point Hamas will break the agreement, Israel is free to attack again. Some people seem to believe that eliminating the entire Gaza population is the solution. Either by deportation, or simply by killing all of them. There is a German word for such a solution, 'Endlösung'. We don't want that again.
sorushn 1y ago
Criticizing Nazi Germany was also "vogue" at some point and sympathisers of the third Reich had similar justifications for "self-defense" against Jews.
buyucu 1y ago
Hamas is bad, but Israel has done much worse to Palestinians over the last 80 years. The mass murders committed by the Israeli forces are much bigger than anything Hamas has ever done. The only real solution is for the rest of the world to treat Israel the way it should be treated: a genocidal entitiy comitting mass murder.

9dev 1y ago

Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? By the way, I don’t see criticism of Israel, but Israel’s current extremist government. I’d even argue that supporting Israel means opposing that administration.

dismalaf 1y ago
> Well the solution certainly isn’t letting an entire People starve to death? So answer the question with your solution.
- 9dev 1y ago
  No, that's a logical fallacy. I can be against something obviously wrong without offering an alternative action. In fact, this is a case of "something needs to be done, this is something, so this must be done". Wrong. Doing nothing—not starving Gaza—was also an option; one that the Israeli government decided against. They are responsible for the current situation.
  - exodust 1y ago
    > "They are responsible for the current situation." Pretty sure the people responsible are the ones hijacking aid trucks and causing security problems in distribution areas. Hamas has a long history of misdirecting aid from the Gazan population; stealing, oppressing, punishing, exploiting, and that's from before the war as commonly reported by UN sources and humanitarian groups over the years.
    - 9dev 1y ago
      I want to see the Hamas agents diverting food from a starving mass of civilians. They'd get ripped to shreds in the attempt.
      - gryzzly 1y ago
        they rip the civilians carrying the aid to shreds. it is easy if you have ak47 and the civilian doesn’t.
rendall 1y ago
"The solution is certainty not x" is not a solution. Saying "it's not x" is easy. If you really believe that Gazans are being starved, then save them by coming up with a great solution for Israel. Let's hear what you think Israel should do.
- Ericson2314 1y ago
  That is not how "don't do war crimes" works. It's incumbent upon Israel to find an alternative.
  - dmix 1y ago
    That would probably require some serious infrastructure to set up secure food distribution points, which I'm assuming isn't easy because the locations have to change as the evacuation areas also constantly changimg. From the video it looks like they only have some berms and small fences so I'd imagine it's a dangerous security situation. Although having way more food/distribution points might help reduce the violent mobs.
    - 9dev 1y ago
      Do you realise how incredibly cynical you sound? We're not discussing the finer details of a logistical challenge here, but the fate of people starving to death. People that by and large are innocent. Also: It'd require infrastructure that did exist before the IDF destroyed it. To feed people that weren't hungry before Israel blocked humanitarian aid. Don't reverse the guilt.
      - rendall 1y ago
        Coming up with a solution sounds cynical to you? It's a solution. What do you suggest?
  - rendall 1y ago
    Let's assume for the sake of argument that Israel has decided to starve out Gazans in order to end the war. You have the choice to save them by offering a better solution. What is it? "Not X!" is a copout. Unfortunately for that perspective, finding a good solution means diving in and understanding the conflict from the Israeli perspective.
givemeethekeys 1y ago
Maybe they are not starving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQx1Qy5Z5fA
- 9dev 1y ago
  Maybe you place your trust in reliable media all over the world instead of random YouTube videos. Journalists are in Gaza right now, putting their life on the line to show you the ground truth—and you dismiss all that due to a channel called "travelingisrael"?
  - exodust 1y ago
    > "to show you the ground truth" Sounds like "traveling gaza" is your preferred source over "traveling israel". No difference. Well, there's some differences... There aren't any foreign journalists in Gaza and the "truth" is certainly not a strong point in reporting lines from Islamist controlled war zones.
    - 9dev 1y ago
      https://www.instagram.com/p/DMfBbO6Mb3I/?img_index=2 https://www.instagram.com/p/DMfBbO6Mb3I/?img_index=2 I certainly trust Reuters and AFP over a YouTuber, yes. Their local journalists have a track record of professionalism, they aren't activists under control of the Hamas. Besides, are you honestly proposing there's any kind of regime in control of Gaza right now..?
      - exodust 1y ago
        The Gaza Health Ministry is the main source of data you read about in Reuters and AFP. Hamas also runs a media office that provides official statements on airstrikes, casualties and other events. They have a history of suppressing and intimidating journalists, and they have a history of propaganda. There are no foreign journalists in Gaza. The journalists you're referring to are Palestinian freelance journalists. Those journalists are working in a media landscape controlled by terrorists. For example they wouldn't be permitted to report back to Reuters about Hamas policing or regrouping.

daveguy 1y ago

To your edit: feed the people in Gaza, and don't commit war crimes. At this point Israel should be guaranteeing safe passage of food aid in Gaza.

unwise-exe 1y ago

>>> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, I believe that capturing POWs is fairly common when at war.

zdragnar 1y ago
Capturing soldiers, sure, but that's not what happened. The whole point of capturing soldiers is to keep them from returning to the field. You deny the other side fighters. Hamas raped, murdered and kidnapped civilians.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  There are hundreds of thousands of Palestinian civilian "administrative detainees" who would love to know why you're not as concerned about them being held.
  - jraby3 1y ago
    Link to show hundreds of thousands of detainees in Israel? That seems like a massive exaggeration.
Pigalowda 1y ago
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lmm 1y ago

> Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? At a minimum stop funding them, stop selling weapons to them, at an absolute minimum repeal the rules against boycotting them. Yes that wouldn't be a complete solution but it would be a step in the right direction.

karim79 1y ago

> Gazans still hold Israeli hostages, Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. > hostages, The thousands of Palestinian "administrative detainees" held without charge in Israel, are not hostages?

dismalaf 1y ago
> Hamas, not Gazans. Nice play with language. Hamas claimed non-Hamas groups and some civilians held hostages. Some hostages were found in captivity guarded by "civilians". Groups like PIJ held hostages. So what's a nice catch-all term for the above groups?
- sudopluto 1y ago
  terrorists? extremist groups? combatants? there is a large jump from hamas -> the entire population, including innocent civilians.
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    If you say some people who committed crimes are say, Americans, it means those people are Americans. Doesn't mean all Americans. So saying they're Gazans covers all the groups, it doesn't say all Gazans, just that the ones doing it are Gazans.
    - karim79 1y ago
      Alright, so based on that logic then: "Israelis have created a man-made starvation with particular emphasis on blocking baby formula and other life-saving essentials from Gaza." I'm not saying all Israelis. Just following your logic.
- karim79 1y ago
  Easy. It's a cheap generalisation, like "Israelis perpetuating man-made starvation in Gaza". No, it's not all Israelis. It's the IDF (IOF) under instruction from the maniacs in charge.
1y ago

insane_dreamer 1y ago

stop bombing, killing, and starving civilians for starters; the long-term solution is the two-state solution but you can't get there if the population is either dead or scattered (which is what Israel successfully did in 1948 and is now trying to finish it off) So don't do this "what's the solution??" while tens of thousands are being killed and starved.

ajb 1y ago

This is actually a valid question*, although you probably won't like the answer. One side will concede in a war if there are no gains to be had, and conceding will stem the losses. So at a minimum, the side that wants a victorious peace has to credibly promise not to kill the women and children of the other side. At the moment, Israel is unable to credibly promise that, and it's difficult to see how in the short term it can generate any such credibility. So external parties such as the US need to form part of the commitment mechanism. Under both Biden and Trump, the US has neglected it's responsibility to do that. *Apart from implying that civilian Gazans are responsible for the hostages

tayo42 1y ago
Why? It would be terrible politically for Israel to keep attacking Palestine if Palestine and hamas agreed to peace. All of the ambiguity of right and wrong would be gone.
- lazyasciiart 1y ago
  But Israel does that constantly, because they say the peace that Hamas agreed to doesn’t count. And the peace offer that Israel is waiting for is basically every male over 16 handed over for interrogation as Hamas members, with the chances of survival for actual Hamas leaders being about none.
  - Jensson 1y ago
    Do you think USA would agree to peace with Nazi Germany or Japan without being allowed to root out all the Nazis or Japanese extremists? WWII was ended in an extremely brutal way, but it did work and effectively ended the genocidal extremism in both Japan and Germany.
    - lazyasciiart 1y ago
      Wow that’s super unrelated to the comment I was responding to, was it in the wrong place by accident?

protocolture 1y ago

>Criticizing Israel is in vogue but what's the solution? Return the refugees to their land and disband the settlements (west bank too). Cash payouts for palestinian refugees to rebuild their homes whether returned to previously occupied lands or just needing to rebuild gaza itself. After reintegrating the civilian population they can go on an anti hamas witch hunt. And Hamas can be put on trial at the hague next to bibi and gvir. Easy.

grandiego 1y ago

Hope some day Muslims (in all Arab countries) just accept the right of Israel to exist. Else, this attack/retaliation dynamic will continue for ever, with people taking sides from a blob of propaganda channels disguised in news platforms.

okucu 1y ago
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crystal_revenge 1y ago

> Hamas has publicly stated that more civilian deaths helps their cause The fact that Israel has no problem creating these civilian deaths is part of the problem. If you claim "human shields" you lose all credibly when you shoot nonetheless. It genuinely horrifying that you accept "well they made us kill all those kids". This would be easy to see if you accepted the Palestinian people as, well, people. > Again, what's your solution people? Two states, stop holding a people in a perpetual refugee camp and you might be surprised and how much less they fight you. And, if you really have two states, then there's a framework for retaliation if it comes to that.

Jensson 1y ago
> Two states, stop holding a people in a perpetual refugee camp and you might be surprised and how much less they fight you. And, if you really have two states, then there's a framework for retaliation if it comes to that. This was Israel's solution, its the other side that keeps rejecting this solution and has been rejecting it for many generations now. So after 70 years of that it makes sense Israel are fed up with trying to ask for two state solution, because the other side will never agree that wont work, they have to solve it in another way.
- FireBeyond 1y ago
  > This was Israel's solution, its the other side that keeps rejecting this solution and has been rejecting it for many generations now. Arafat and the PLA/PLO, let's be clear, were responsible for many terrorist atrocities. But let's not forget, their softening, and efforts at the negotiation table, put the Israel far right in a tough spot. Questions were really starting to get awkward - "Arafat is negotiating and making concessions, so why isn't Israel?" That's when Netanyahu and his buddies decided that Israel needed to start supporting Hamas, because Hamas was more hardline than the PLO. And their rise would make it easy to deflect blame away from Israel for being unwilling to explore the peace process.
- splintercell 1y ago
  It's not even that. When Palestinians had widespread Arab support and their position was stronger, they kept on rejecting the two-state solution. Now, the situation is such that Israel can unilaterally get a one-state solution, so they're asking for a two-state solution.

croes 1y ago

If more civilian death help Hamas why does Israel‘s government help getting more dead civilians?

rixed 1y ago

Are you seriously asking for what's the alternative to the bombing of tens of thousands of innocent people because some hostages were taken?

dismalaf 1y ago
If it's so obvious give your alternative.
- coffeeboy27 1y ago
  Not the OP but I'm going to go out on a limb here and say not bombing civilians, in general, is a path exploring.
  - dismalaf 1y ago
    Ok. So you stop bombing. How do you get the hostages back? Do you just abandon them? You still answered with a negative, not a real answer.
    - rixed 1y ago
      How do you get the hostages back with the bombing? Oh, you are going to say, "that's to prevent future fighters from capturing future hostages", I guess? But wait, we know that today's bombings are making future fighters, so, really, what's the plan?? You know, the evening of the 9/11 I remember spending the whole night depressing, thinking "omg, now the US are going to wage war all around the globe, my son will grow up in a terrible place". Because how could the military behemoth answer in any other way? And sure enough, that's what happened. After the 7th of October, I had similar thoughts: "omg, now Israel is going to act stupid and make Jews hated again". I've lost friends who had to leave my country because of antisemitism. I've also had my life threatened by right wing extremist zionists. So at least take my words on this: The first and most natural answer to violence and hated is more violence and hatred, universally. If that's not what you want for the next generation make the first move to stop it.
    - 1y ago

misja111 1y ago

There's an offer from Hamas on the table for a total ceasefire and release of all hostages. The solution is to accept it. If at any point Hamas will break the agreement, Israel is free to attack again. Some people seem to believe that eliminating the entire Gaza population is the solution. Either by deportation, or simply by killing all of them. There is a German word for such a solution, 'Endlösung'. We don't want that again.

sorushn 1y ago

Criticizing Nazi Germany was also "vogue" at some point and sympathisers of the third Reich had similar justifications for "self-defense" against Jews.

buyucu 1y ago

Hamas is bad, but Israel has done much worse to Palestinians over the last 80 years. The mass murders committed by the Israeli forces are much bigger than anything Hamas has ever done. The only real solution is for the rest of the world to treat Israel the way it should be treated: a genocidal entitiy comitting mass murder.