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The Vatican observatory looks to the heavens

73 points by pseudolus 1y ago

pseudolus 1y ago
https://archive.ph/i6KDU https://archive.ph/i6KDU
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pseudolus 1y ago
Surprisingly, not a single mention of Georges Lemaître - the Catholic priest who made significant contributions to cosmology and is credited with originating what became the Big Bang theory.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
- chiba12 1y ago
  It’s literally mentioned in the article
  - pseudolus 1y ago
    Alas, I missed that part: 'Pius XII stopped suggesting that the big bang required the orchestration of God after he had a conference with Georges Lemaître, the Belgian scientist and Catholic priest who had laid the groundwork for the theory with his hypothesis that the universe had expanded from a “primeval atom.”'
    - myvoiceismypass 1y ago
      So you didn’t read the article you are commenting on? I’m having a hard time understanding how this was missed.
      - tpoacher 1y ago
        > I missed that part So he did read the article. How did you miss that? :p
- Jtsummers 1y ago
  > Surprisingly, not a single mention of Georges Lemaître The article: >> Pius XII stopped suggesting that the big bang required the orchestration of God after he had a conference with Georges Lemaître, the Belgian scientist and Catholic priest who had laid the groundwork for the theory with his hypothesis that the universe had expanded from a “primeval atom.” There's a single mention of him in the article.
- antithesizer 1y ago
  This is what I call self-sacrifice.
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melling 1y ago
“when the realignment caused ten days to be subtracted from the year, mobs across Europe attacked Jesuit houses to protest the time stolen from them.” Do we see these people among us today? This resonated too: “ He said, “Even scientists who don’t believe in God have to believe in ‘Oh, my God.”
- antognini 1y ago
  > when the realignment caused ten days to be subtracted from the year, mobs across Europe attacked Jesuit houses to protest the time stolen from them The outrage over the implementation of the Gregorian calendar had more to do with landlords in some areas charging a full month of rent for a month that lacked 11 days.
  - exe34 1y ago
    Classic landlords!
    - cwmoore 1y ago
      Were their taxes due later? I would not be surprised if they also lost all 11 days of scheduled annual maintenance.
  - vasco 1y ago
    Almost invariably when large groups of people did something really dumb in the past, we just don't have the full story. Not wanting to pay 11 extra days for nothing is completely reasonable, as opposed to the portrayal of dummies going around with pitchforks because someone stole 11 days from their lives.
  - southernplaces7 1y ago
    Amusing how some tendencies never really change no matter how much the superficial world changes.
- jajko 1y ago
  That has nothing to do with religion, beliefs or any validity of those. Just a phrase burned too deep into cranium over decades to dispose of it easily even if wanted. 'What the fuck' or other fuck variants are in same category.
resource_waste 1y ago
Maybe this is a good place to post it because its about religion. I didn't think you could have 2 existential crisis, but I did. First one was Religion -> Agnosticism... Second was: Platonic Realism to Pragmatism. I used to think there was something special about circles/Pi, I thought there was some force of nature that caused Capitalism, Darwinism, and IR Realism to win... No, these platonic forms/universals don't actually exist. I hear people talk about Love, Happiness, and Justice like there is a perfection available to us humans. They are under the platonic religion. Today I realize these are constructs of human language, from Pi to Justice, there is no universal. Monism is a religion. I highly recommend William James's Pragmatism. Its only a 2.5 hour audiobook and it basically created the idea of metaphilosophy.
- 1718627440 1y ago
  But Pi seams to be a property of the universe, because it's occurring in a lot of statements about behaviours of the universe? There is a longing in people for love, happiness and justice which seams to be universal through the earth population? And people think they would like it if the world was more like that, so they try to influence others so that it is more like that, what's wrong with that? Some people conclude that there must be an origin for that desire outside of humans and that gets the name god. So I don't know what you mean? Where do you conclude from that this is not real?
  - resource_waste 1y ago
    >Pi seams to be a property of the universe If you also agree 1 = 1 is a property of the universe, sure... But these are really just linguistic notations stacked upon each other until statements like 2pir = c are true. I can write plenty of other true statements, I can make some strange irregular shape and prove the area of it. >There is a longing in people for love, happiness and justice which seams to be universal through the earth population? At a minimum moral relativism, between cultures, people, eras, organizations vs individuals seems absolutely true. At one point, being a pirate was honorable because it helped your community.
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73 points by pseudolus 1y ago

pseudolus 1y ago

https://archive.ph/i6KDU https://archive.ph/i6KDU

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pseudolus 1y ago

Surprisingly, not a single mention of Georges Lemaître - the Catholic priest who made significant contributions to cosmology and is credited with originating what became the Big Bang theory.[0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre

chiba12 1y ago
It’s literally mentioned in the article
- pseudolus 1y ago
  Alas, I missed that part: 'Pius XII stopped suggesting that the big bang required the orchestration of God after he had a conference with Georges Lemaître, the Belgian scientist and Catholic priest who had laid the groundwork for the theory with his hypothesis that the universe had expanded from a “primeval atom.”'
  - myvoiceismypass 1y ago
    So you didn’t read the article you are commenting on? I’m having a hard time understanding how this was missed.
    - tpoacher 1y ago
      > I missed that part So he did read the article. How did you miss that? :p
Jtsummers 1y ago
> Surprisingly, not a single mention of Georges Lemaître The article: >> Pius XII stopped suggesting that the big bang required the orchestration of God after he had a conference with Georges Lemaître, the Belgian scientist and Catholic priest who had laid the groundwork for the theory with his hypothesis that the universe had expanded from a “primeval atom.” There's a single mention of him in the article.
antithesizer 1y ago
This is what I call self-sacrifice.

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melling 1y ago

“when the realignment caused ten days to be subtracted from the year, mobs across Europe attacked Jesuit houses to protest the time stolen from them.” Do we see these people among us today? This resonated too: “ He said, “Even scientists who don’t believe in God have to believe in ‘Oh, my God.”

antognini 1y ago
> when the realignment caused ten days to be subtracted from the year, mobs across Europe attacked Jesuit houses to protest the time stolen from them The outrage over the implementation of the Gregorian calendar had more to do with landlords in some areas charging a full month of rent for a month that lacked 11 days.
- exe34 1y ago
  Classic landlords!
  - cwmoore 1y ago
    Were their taxes due later? I would not be surprised if they also lost all 11 days of scheduled annual maintenance.
- vasco 1y ago
  Almost invariably when large groups of people did something really dumb in the past, we just don't have the full story. Not wanting to pay 11 extra days for nothing is completely reasonable, as opposed to the portrayal of dummies going around with pitchforks because someone stole 11 days from their lives.
- southernplaces7 1y ago
  Amusing how some tendencies never really change no matter how much the superficial world changes.
jajko 1y ago
That has nothing to do with religion, beliefs or any validity of those. Just a phrase burned too deep into cranium over decades to dispose of it easily even if wanted. 'What the fuck' or other fuck variants are in same category.

resource_waste 1y ago

Maybe this is a good place to post it because its about religion. I didn't think you could have 2 existential crisis, but I did. First one was Religion -> Agnosticism... Second was: Platonic Realism to Pragmatism. I used to think there was something special about circles/Pi, I thought there was some force of nature that caused Capitalism, Darwinism, and IR Realism to win... No, these platonic forms/universals don't actually exist. I hear people talk about Love, Happiness, and Justice like there is a perfection available to us humans. They are under the platonic religion. Today I realize these are constructs of human language, from Pi to Justice, there is no universal. Monism is a religion. I highly recommend William James's Pragmatism. Its only a 2.5 hour audiobook and it basically created the idea of metaphilosophy.

1718627440 1y ago
But Pi seams to be a property of the universe, because it's occurring in a lot of statements about behaviours of the universe? There is a longing in people for love, happiness and justice which seams to be universal through the earth population? And people think they would like it if the world was more like that, so they try to influence others so that it is more like that, what's wrong with that? Some people conclude that there must be an origin for that desire outside of humans and that gets the name god. So I don't know what you mean? Where do you conclude from that this is not real?
- resource_waste 1y ago
  >Pi seams to be a property of the universe If you also agree 1 = 1 is a property of the universe, sure... But these are really just linguistic notations stacked upon each other until statements like 2pir = c are true. I can write plenty of other true statements, I can make some strange irregular shape and prove the area of it. >There is a longing in people for love, happiness and justice which seams to be universal through the earth population? At a minimum moral relativism, between cultures, people, eras, organizations vs individuals seems absolutely true. At one point, being a pirate was honorable because it helped your community.
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