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They've released like 80% of the hostages I believe? In exchange for ceasefires which were immediately broken by Israel.

bamboozled 1y ago
100% and full Hamas surrender is what they want and you know that. It's a war, not a picnic.
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- woooooo 1y ago
  I don't know that. Surrender what? Military control of the strip? Top ministers in Israel have been very clear that population-level suffering and ideally expulsion is their goal. Meanwhile, West Bank violence has skyrocketed. And Hamas leadership is mostly dead already, anyways.
  - bamboozled 1y ago
    Yes and both sides need to surrender the idea that they aren't people worthy of life. The religious leadership in the area needs to surrender and tell their people to surrender the idea that Jews are horrible people who deserve to be killed and all views to support similar ideas on the other side need to do the same. Otherwise any aid provided to Gaza etc is just a temporary bandaid to the issue. Trigger warning: Hours later that day, a video emerged showing Louk's body,[28][29][b][c] partially clothed, with a significant head injury and blood-matted hair, being paraded in the streets of Gaza City by Hamas militants in the back of a pickup truck; they were exclaiming "Allahu Akbar" and were joined in the cheers by the people in the crowd surrounding the vehicle, some of whom spat on the body.[33][23][34][35] The video went viral,[2][36][37] becoming one of the first viral videos of the Gaza war.[36] It was released in a wave of videos of Hamas members parading hostages and bodies.[38][39][40] Photographs were also taken and circulated online.[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shani_Louk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shani_Louk
jahewson 1y ago
That’s not true. It lasted 3 months, which was the entire duration of the agreed phase 1. Phase 2 did not begin because Hamas turned the hostage/body releases into a propaganda circus [1] and refused to accept modified terms for phase 2 that prevented this. I don’t love either party’s behavior here, but there’s no need to mislead like this. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostages-bodies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-h...
- woooooo 1y ago
  2 months but you're right, it wasn't "immediately". Bad memory on my part. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire I still maintain that Netanyahu would gladly sacrifice hostages to keep the war hot. And that NYT article is a fascinating artifact in highlighting Israeli feelings of anguish while Palestinians are killed en masse.
  - BobaFloutist 1y ago
    I wish the dominant strain of Palestinian support online made room for people that are happy to condemn Netanyahu and his allies as atrocious, hateful, evil human beings and to condemn the clear excessive force the Israeli army is currently using but aren't willing to completely gloss over October 7th, aren't on board with protests against Israel on October 8th, and want to hold Hamas (and ultimately Qatar and Iran) responsible for their part in all this. If people hadn't started accusing Israel (and Biden, somehow) of genocide basically on October 8, perhaps there'd be less debate right now. It's really frustrating to both feel that Israel can do no right (the pager attack, while obviously viscerally terrifying, had objectively incredible combatant/innocent ratios compared to literally any other way of prosecuting war, and it's the height of hypocrisy for people claiming that Israel should simply special forces snipe every Hamas fighter individually to criticize it) and at the same time fully agree that Netanyahu and the settlers are shithead monster assholes and that civilian casualties are now inexcusable, beyond a reasonable doubt.
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bamboozled 1y ago

100% and full Hamas surrender is what they want and you know that. It's a war, not a picnic.

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woooooo 1y ago
I don't know that. Surrender what? Military control of the strip? Top ministers in Israel have been very clear that population-level suffering and ideally expulsion is their goal. Meanwhile, West Bank violence has skyrocketed. And Hamas leadership is mostly dead already, anyways.
- bamboozled 1y ago
  Yes and both sides need to surrender the idea that they aren't people worthy of life. The religious leadership in the area needs to surrender and tell their people to surrender the idea that Jews are horrible people who deserve to be killed and all views to support similar ideas on the other side need to do the same. Otherwise any aid provided to Gaza etc is just a temporary bandaid to the issue. Trigger warning: Hours later that day, a video emerged showing Louk's body,[28][29][b][c] partially clothed, with a significant head injury and blood-matted hair, being paraded in the streets of Gaza City by Hamas militants in the back of a pickup truck; they were exclaiming "Allahu Akbar" and were joined in the cheers by the people in the crowd surrounding the vehicle, some of whom spat on the body.[33][23][34][35] The video went viral,[2][36][37] becoming one of the first viral videos of the Gaza war.[36] It was released in a wave of videos of Hamas members parading hostages and bodies.[38][39][40] Photographs were also taken and circulated online.[29] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shani_Louk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shani_Louk

jahewson 1y ago

That’s not true. It lasted 3 months, which was the entire duration of the agreed phase 1. Phase 2 did not begin because Hamas turned the hostage/body releases into a propaganda circus [1] and refused to accept modified terms for phase 2 that prevented this. I don’t love either party’s behavior here, but there’s no need to mislead like this. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-hostages-bodies.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/20/world/middleeast/israel-h...

woooooo 1y ago
2 months but you're right, it wasn't "immediately". Bad memory on my part. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Gaza_war_ceasefire I still maintain that Netanyahu would gladly sacrifice hostages to keep the war hot. And that NYT article is a fascinating artifact in highlighting Israeli feelings of anguish while Palestinians are killed en masse.
- BobaFloutist 1y ago
  I wish the dominant strain of Palestinian support online made room for people that are happy to condemn Netanyahu and his allies as atrocious, hateful, evil human beings and to condemn the clear excessive force the Israeli army is currently using but aren't willing to completely gloss over October 7th, aren't on board with protests against Israel on October 8th, and want to hold Hamas (and ultimately Qatar and Iran) responsible for their part in all this. If people hadn't started accusing Israel (and Biden, somehow) of genocide basically on October 8, perhaps there'd be less debate right now. It's really frustrating to both feel that Israel can do no right (the pager attack, while obviously viscerally terrifying, had objectively incredible combatant/innocent ratios compared to literally any other way of prosecuting war, and it's the height of hypocrisy for people claiming that Israel should simply special forces snipe every Hamas fighter individually to criticize it) and at the same time fully agree that Netanyahu and the settlers are shithead monster assholes and that civilian casualties are now inexcusable, beyond a reasonable doubt.
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