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> Anthropic is saying that one out of every 20 users will hit the new limit. I regularly hit the the Pro limits 3 times a day using sonnet. If I use claude cod

> Anthropic is saying that one out of every 20 users will hit the new limit. I regularly hit the the Pro limits 3 times a day using sonnet. If I use claude code & claude its over in about 30 minutes. No multi 24/7 agent whatever, no multiple windows open (except using Claude to write a letter between claude code thoughts). I highly doubt I am a top 5%er - but wont be shocked if my week ends on a wednessday. I was just starting to use Claude chat more as it is in my subscription but if I can not rely on it to be available for multiple days its functionally useless - I wont even bother.

ketzo 1y ago
What does your Claude code usage look like if you’re getting limited in 30 minutes without running multiple instances? Massive codebase or something?
- blitzar 1y ago
  I set claude about writing docstrings on a handful of files - 4/5 files couple 100 lines each - couple of classes in each - it didnt need to scan codebase (much). Low danger task so I let it do as it pleased - 30 minutes and was maxed out. Could probably have reduced context with a /clear after every file but then I would have to participate.
  - tlbsofware 1y ago
    You can tell it to review and edit each file within a Task/subagent and can even say to run them in parallel and it will use a separate context for each file without having to clear them manually
    - blitzar 1y ago
      Every day is a school day - I feel like this is a quicker way to burn usage but it does manage context nicely.
      - tlbsofware 1y ago
        I haven’t ran any experiments about token usage with tasks, but if you ran them all together without tasks, then each files full operation _should_ be contributing as cached tokens for each subsequent request. But if you use a task then only the summary returned from that task would contribute to the cached tokens. From my understanding it actually might save you usage rates (depending on what else it’s doing within the task itself). I usually use Tasks for running tests, code generation, summarizing code flows, and performing web searches on docs and summarizing the necessary parts I need for later operations. Running them in parallel is nice if you want to document code flows and have each task focus on a higher level grouping, that way each task is hyper focused on its own domain and they all run together so you don’t have to wait as long, for example: - “Feature A’s configuration” - “Feature A’s access control” - “Feature A’s invoicing”
  - stuaxo 1y ago
    I hope you thoroughly go through these as a human, purely AI written stuff can be horrible to read.
    - blitzar 1y ago
      Docstring slop is better than code slop - anyway that is what git commits are for - and I have 4.5 hours to do that till next reset.
      - debo_ 1y ago
        Coding is turning into an MMO!
  - Kurtz79 1y ago
    If I understand correctly, looking at API pricing for Sonnet, output tokens are 5 times more expensive than input tokens. So, if rate limits are based on an overall token cost, it is likely that one will hit them first if CC reads a few files and writes a lot of text as output (comments/documentation) rather than if it analyzes a large codebase and then makes a few edits in code.
Aurornis 1y ago
> If I use claude code & claude its over in about 30 minutes. Can you share what you're doing? I've been experimenting with Claude Code and I feel like I have to be doing a lot with it before I even start seeing the usage warning limits on the $20/month plan. When I see people claiming they're getting rate limited after 30 minutes on the $100/month plan I have a hard time understanding what they're doing so different. For what it's worth I don't use it every day, so maybe there's a separate rate that applies to heavy and frequent users?
- flutas 1y ago
  $20/mo plan doesn't include opus (the larger model) like the $100+ plans do, it's likely they are hitting the opus limit which is fairly low.
  - r053bud 1y ago
    The $20/month plan most definitely does include Opus. Just not a ton of usage allowed.
    - eagleinparadise 1y ago
      Only opus on web. Not Claude code
  - flowerthoughts 1y ago
    I'm on the $20 and was hitting the limit quite often. It lasted 2.5 h out of 5 h if I went all in. So even before this questionable change, we were at 50% utilization at most. And I guess it'll go downhill from here. Anthropic, I wish you the best. Claude is a great tool at good value. But if you keep changing the product after my purchase, that's bad value.
- gorbypark 1y ago
  As a $20 month user, I can tell you in my experience it's "refactoring" jobs that really smash through those tokens quickly. If you do a "write a component that does this" kinda thing, you can use the $20 plan almost an unlimited amount of time. If you are doing "find all instances of ComponentFoo, change to ComponentBar, refactor each screen for correct usage of ComponentBar" kinda things, it's going to grep through your code, find multiple files, read all of them into context and start making changes one by one and/or spin up a subagent to do it. You'll be rate limited pretty quick doing things that way.
bogtog 1y ago
> I highly doubt I am a top 5%er - but wont be shocked if my week ends on a wednessday. I was just starting to use Claude chat more as it is in my subscription but if I can not rely on it to be available for multiple days its functionally useless - I wont even bother. You very well might be a top 5%er among people only on the Pro rather than Max plan
rapind 1y ago
I think you'll want to specify your /model to not use opus. Strangely unintuitive, but I opted out of opus on the max plan myself and aren't really having any usage issues since.
- blitzar 1y ago
  no opus in claude code on my el'cheapo plan ($20 - pro) - used it occasionally in claude desktop and its as expensive as they advertise.

ketzo 1y ago

What does your Claude code usage look like if you’re getting limited in 30 minutes without running multiple instances? Massive codebase or something?

blitzar 1y ago
I set claude about writing docstrings on a handful of files - 4/5 files couple 100 lines each - couple of classes in each - it didnt need to scan codebase (much). Low danger task so I let it do as it pleased - 30 minutes and was maxed out. Could probably have reduced context with a /clear after every file but then I would have to participate.
- tlbsofware 1y ago
  You can tell it to review and edit each file within a Task/subagent and can even say to run them in parallel and it will use a separate context for each file without having to clear them manually
  - blitzar 1y ago
    Every day is a school day - I feel like this is a quicker way to burn usage but it does manage context nicely.
    - tlbsofware 1y ago
      I haven’t ran any experiments about token usage with tasks, but if you ran them all together without tasks, then each files full operation _should_ be contributing as cached tokens for each subsequent request. But if you use a task then only the summary returned from that task would contribute to the cached tokens. From my understanding it actually might save you usage rates (depending on what else it’s doing within the task itself). I usually use Tasks for running tests, code generation, summarizing code flows, and performing web searches on docs and summarizing the necessary parts I need for later operations. Running them in parallel is nice if you want to document code flows and have each task focus on a higher level grouping, that way each task is hyper focused on its own domain and they all run together so you don’t have to wait as long, for example: - “Feature A’s configuration” - “Feature A’s access control” - “Feature A’s invoicing”
- stuaxo 1y ago
  I hope you thoroughly go through these as a human, purely AI written stuff can be horrible to read.
  - blitzar 1y ago
    Docstring slop is better than code slop - anyway that is what git commits are for - and I have 4.5 hours to do that till next reset.
    - debo_ 1y ago
      Coding is turning into an MMO!
- Kurtz79 1y ago
  If I understand correctly, looking at API pricing for Sonnet, output tokens are 5 times more expensive than input tokens. So, if rate limits are based on an overall token cost, it is likely that one will hit them first if CC reads a few files and writes a lot of text as output (comments/documentation) rather than if it analyzes a large codebase and then makes a few edits in code.

Aurornis 1y ago

> If I use claude code & claude its over in about 30 minutes. Can you share what you're doing? I've been experimenting with Claude Code and I feel like I have to be doing a lot with it before I even start seeing the usage warning limits on the $20/month plan. When I see people claiming they're getting rate limited after 30 minutes on the $100/month plan I have a hard time understanding what they're doing so different. For what it's worth I don't use it every day, so maybe there's a separate rate that applies to heavy and frequent users?

flutas 1y ago
$20/mo plan doesn't include opus (the larger model) like the $100+ plans do, it's likely they are hitting the opus limit which is fairly low.
- r053bud 1y ago
  The $20/month plan most definitely does include Opus. Just not a ton of usage allowed.
  - eagleinparadise 1y ago
    Only opus on web. Not Claude code
- flowerthoughts 1y ago
  I'm on the $20 and was hitting the limit quite often. It lasted 2.5 h out of 5 h if I went all in. So even before this questionable change, we were at 50% utilization at most. And I guess it'll go downhill from here. Anthropic, I wish you the best. Claude is a great tool at good value. But if you keep changing the product after my purchase, that's bad value.
gorbypark 1y ago
As a $20 month user, I can tell you in my experience it's "refactoring" jobs that really smash through those tokens quickly. If you do a "write a component that does this" kinda thing, you can use the $20 plan almost an unlimited amount of time. If you are doing "find all instances of ComponentFoo, change to ComponentBar, refactor each screen for correct usage of ComponentBar" kinda things, it's going to grep through your code, find multiple files, read all of them into context and start making changes one by one and/or spin up a subagent to do it. You'll be rate limited pretty quick doing things that way.

bogtog 1y ago

> I highly doubt I am a top 5%er - but wont be shocked if my week ends on a wednessday. I was just starting to use Claude chat more as it is in my subscription but if I can not rely on it to be available for multiple days its functionally useless - I wont even bother. You very well might be a top 5%er among people only on the Pro rather than Max plan

rapind 1y ago

I think you'll want to specify your /model to not use opus. Strangely unintuitive, but I opted out of opus on the max plan myself and aren't really having any usage issues since.

blitzar 1y ago
no opus in claude code on my el'cheapo plan ($20 - pro) - used it occasionally in claude desktop and its as expensive as they advertise.