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You're paying for prioritization during high traffic periods, not for 2x usage.

by foota 1y ago

strictnein 1y ago
That's not what they claim: https://www.anthropic.com/pricing https://www.anthropic.com/pricing > Max > Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro* > Higher output limits for all tasks > Priority access at high traffic times That first bullet pretty clearly implies 4x the usage and the last one implies that Max gets priority over Pro, not that 20x gets priority over 5x.
- foota 1y ago
  That is sort of what it implies, but I don't think that's what's actually happening on the backend. I was looking at this yesterday though and I agree that it's all a bit hand-wavy. I feel for them somewhat though because it's hand-wavy because it's a difficult problem to solve. They're essentially offering spot instances.
  - buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
    Some say hand wavy where others say dishonest. You’re justifying their dishonesty because telling the truth would cost them customers. Gross.
  - jjani 1y ago
    It's not "sort of what it implies" - it's literally what it says. > Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro* If a recruiter tells you you'll be getting "20x more money per hour" at this new startup, and you go there and you get only 6x, you're going to have a very different tone than "you sort of implied 20x".
  - jjani 1y ago
    Or go here: https://claude.ai/upgrade/max https://claude.ai/upgrade/max. What does it say on top, on the actual pricing page? Max plan 5x more usage than Pro $100.00/month + tax Save 50% 20x more usage than Pro $200.00/month + tax Especially with the "save 50%", if they're not actually offering 4x that of 5x, that's easily illegal false advertising in half the territories Anthropic's customers are located in.
    - foota 1y ago
      I want to say again that I don't think their plan pricing is straightforward, but (at least when I was looking at it the other day) I came away with the (correct, imo) impression that the 5x and 20x were just marketing terms and I should take it with a grain of salt. I agree it's not literally what it sounds like. I think the disconnect here is that the 5x or 20x is true within a single session (and you'll see their website seems to always say this, clearly their legal team went over it with a fine tooth comb). The above about weekly quotas etc., isn't within a single session so the 5 or 20x no longer applies.
      - jjani 1y ago
        I'm sorry but that's gaslighting in the face of literally being shown the payment page that shows otherwise. "5x more usage than Pro" and "20x more usage than Pro" cannot be reasonably interpreted in the way you're doing. It doesn't matter how much you preface it with "I don't think it's straightforward". > clearly their legal team went over it with a fine tooth comb If their legal team in fact did, they'll have said "yup, that payment page won't fly if you'd get sued in Germany/Australia/anywhere with remotely decent consumer protections" and Anthropic just decided to roll with it anyway as they did while breaking millions of websites' ToS, pirating half the world's books, academic papers and more. As the chance they'll actually get sued and receive meaningful punishment is negligible. You're either incredibly naive, are doing similar things and justifying it, or have a personal stake in this. There's no other explanation. You can look at my comment history and see that I'm generally nice and don't comment in this manner, but you're leaving no other option as this can no longer be framed as good faith.
        foota 1y ago
        Are we reading different pages? Their pricing page: "Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro*". Per session is the important bit here. I do see that their sign up/registration page doesn't include the per session text, instead saying just "5-20x more usage than Pro". I do think the per session but is the part that makes it true, but I also don't think you're being skeptical enough. If something says 20x more I'm obviously going to look for 20x of what, and I think it's on the reader to realize what they're signing up for. I don't have any stake in this, anthropic, or AI; but I don't like it when people flame something that I think is understandable. It's certainly a bit of spin, but I don't wouldn't go so far as to say it's unethical etc.,.

You're paying for prioritization during high traffic periods, not for 2x usage.

by foota 1y ago

You're paying for prioritization during high traffic periods, not for 2x usage.

That's not what they claim: https://www.anthropic.com/pricing https://www.anthropic.com/pricing > Max > Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro* > Higher output limits for all tasks > Priority access at high traffic times That first bullet pretty clearly implies 4x the usage and the last one implies that Max gets priority over Pro, not that 20x gets priority over 5x.

foota 1y ago
That is sort of what it implies, but I don't think that's what's actually happening on the backend. I was looking at this yesterday though and I agree that it's all a bit hand-wavy. I feel for them somewhat though because it's hand-wavy because it's a difficult problem to solve. They're essentially offering spot instances.
- buzzerbetrayed 1y ago
  Some say hand wavy where others say dishonest. You’re justifying their dishonesty because telling the truth would cost them customers. Gross.
- jjani 1y ago
  It's not "sort of what it implies" - it's literally what it says. > Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro* If a recruiter tells you you'll be getting "20x more money per hour" at this new startup, and you go there and you get only 6x, you're going to have a very different tone than "you sort of implied 20x".
- jjani 1y ago
  Or go here: https://claude.ai/upgrade/max https://claude.ai/upgrade/max. What does it say on top, on the actual pricing page? Max plan 5x more usage than Pro $100.00/month + tax Save 50% 20x more usage than Pro $200.00/month + tax Especially with the "save 50%", if they're not actually offering 4x that of 5x, that's easily illegal false advertising in half the territories Anthropic's customers are located in.
  - foota 1y ago
    I want to say again that I don't think their plan pricing is straightforward, but (at least when I was looking at it the other day) I came away with the (correct, imo) impression that the 5x and 20x were just marketing terms and I should take it with a grain of salt. I agree it's not literally what it sounds like. I think the disconnect here is that the 5x or 20x is true within a single session (and you'll see their website seems to always say this, clearly their legal team went over it with a fine tooth comb). The above about weekly quotas etc., isn't within a single session so the 5 or 20x no longer applies.
    - jjani 1y ago
      I'm sorry but that's gaslighting in the face of literally being shown the payment page that shows otherwise. "5x more usage than Pro" and "20x more usage than Pro" cannot be reasonably interpreted in the way you're doing. It doesn't matter how much you preface it with "I don't think it's straightforward". > clearly their legal team went over it with a fine tooth comb If their legal team in fact did, they'll have said "yup, that payment page won't fly if you'd get sued in Germany/Australia/anywhere with remotely decent consumer protections" and Anthropic just decided to roll with it anyway as they did while breaking millions of websites' ToS, pirating half the world's books, academic papers and more. As the chance they'll actually get sued and receive meaningful punishment is negligible. You're either incredibly naive, are doing similar things and justifying it, or have a personal stake in this. There's no other explanation. You can look at my comment history and see that I'm generally nice and don't comment in this manner, but you're leaving no other option as this can no longer be framed as good faith.
      - foota 1y ago
        Are we reading different pages? Their pricing page: "Choose 5x or 20x more usage per session than Pro*". Per session is the important bit here. I do see that their sign up/registration page doesn't include the per session text, instead saying just "5-20x more usage than Pro". I do think the per session but is the part that makes it true, but I also don't think you're being skeptical enough. If something says 20x more I'm obviously going to look for 20x of what, and I think it's on the reader to realize what they're signing up for. I don't have any stake in this, anthropic, or AI; but I don't like it when people flame something that I think is understandable. It's certainly a bit of spin, but I don't wouldn't go so far as to say it's unethical etc.,.