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I'm sure they do. Who would last the longest, VISA or Valve? The court proceedings would drag out long enough the kill Valve. Afterwards VISA and MasterCard wou

I'm sure they do. Who would last the longest, VISA or Valve? The court proceedings would drag out long enough the kill Valve. Afterwards VISA and MasterCard would just ask "How else would you pay?". As long as VISA and MasterCard are only targetting adult content they are pretty much free to do whatever they want because no politician is going to go out and defend pornography.

DoctorOW 1y ago
Bank Transfer, Bitcoin, etc. Maybe even work with debit card rails, my local grocery store only takes debit and Discover. Steam could even include an error message, "Sorry, Mastercard has not approved purchases from Steam. You can call their customer support for more information."
mywittyname 1y ago
I'd pay for Steam content however they wanted me to. Up to and including hooking up my bank account details or buying gift cards in a store. Steam has a large and dedicated user base. They are one of the companies that has access to enough users to conceivably build their own payment processor with enough volume to be profitable from the start. Industry giants are often toppled by companies who started out in some niche the giant is ignoring/avoiding.
_Algernon_ 1y ago
Honestly, in Europe, if they added SEPA transfers to fill steam wallet I think they would do fine. This is the company that has — albeit not singlehandedly — made Linux a viable alternative to Windows for many gamers. They are used to taking on much bigger fish than themselves, and being a private company not beholden to shareholder profits they have a lot more room to weather a short term loss. The Proton / Steam deck play was a decade long strategic play that has clearly paid dividends and made Steam much less dependent on Microsoft. It would not be surprising to me if Valve in 10 years time has positioned itself to be much more independent of Visa and Mastercard than it is today.
63stack 1y ago
I wonder how feasible would it be for Valve to start a campaign that they will add a 10% discount on everything you purchase with an international bank transfer, instead of a card. I'm quite sure it would cause a massive amount of people to start paying using bank transfer.
colonwqbang 1y ago
When it looked like Microsoft might close off Windows, Valve built their own SteamOS Linux distro. It now runs many AAA and indie titles, making Linux-based gaming very practical. This is something which was at one time considered impossible. Valve also have an extremely loyal customer base. If they have to open an account at the Bank of Gaben to get their fix of smutty games, they just might.
- psunavy03 1y ago
  Valve has an extremely loyal customer base, but only a subset of that customer base is interested in smutty games.
  - johnnyanmac 1y ago
    >only a subset of that customer base is interested in smutty games. the topic up chain was " if they block whole Steam, it will create way larger outrage. I am sure they will dare not.". But it seems Valve doesn't want to take the gamble there.
aftbit 1y ago
Perhaps Valve will create their own payment processor, just as they created their own app store for games.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  To the extent there is someone gamers can pressure in this system, it's Valve. (Who would, in turn, take the mantle of organising gamers' interests against Visa and Mastercard.)
johnnyanmac 1y ago
Given the rabid audience there, I'd bet on Valve to be honest. They are causing this much issue over a niche section of games. Imagine if every steam purchase was affected, there'd be legitimate riots.

DoctorOW 1y ago

Bank Transfer, Bitcoin, etc. Maybe even work with debit card rails, my local grocery store only takes debit and Discover. Steam could even include an error message, "Sorry, Mastercard has not approved purchases from Steam. You can call their customer support for more information."

mywittyname 1y ago

I'd pay for Steam content however they wanted me to. Up to and including hooking up my bank account details or buying gift cards in a store. Steam has a large and dedicated user base. They are one of the companies that has access to enough users to conceivably build their own payment processor with enough volume to be profitable from the start. Industry giants are often toppled by companies who started out in some niche the giant is ignoring/avoiding.

_Algernon_ 1y ago

Honestly, in Europe, if they added SEPA transfers to fill steam wallet I think they would do fine. This is the company that has — albeit not singlehandedly — made Linux a viable alternative to Windows for many gamers. They are used to taking on much bigger fish than themselves, and being a private company not beholden to shareholder profits they have a lot more room to weather a short term loss. The Proton / Steam deck play was a decade long strategic play that has clearly paid dividends and made Steam much less dependent on Microsoft. It would not be surprising to me if Valve in 10 years time has positioned itself to be much more independent of Visa and Mastercard than it is today.

63stack 1y ago

I wonder how feasible would it be for Valve to start a campaign that they will add a 10% discount on everything you purchase with an international bank transfer, instead of a card. I'm quite sure it would cause a massive amount of people to start paying using bank transfer.

colonwqbang 1y ago

When it looked like Microsoft might close off Windows, Valve built their own SteamOS Linux distro. It now runs many AAA and indie titles, making Linux-based gaming very practical. This is something which was at one time considered impossible. Valve also have an extremely loyal customer base. If they have to open an account at the Bank of Gaben to get their fix of smutty games, they just might.

psunavy03 1y ago
Valve has an extremely loyal customer base, but only a subset of that customer base is interested in smutty games.
- johnnyanmac 1y ago
  >only a subset of that customer base is interested in smutty games. the topic up chain was " if they block whole Steam, it will create way larger outrage. I am sure they will dare not.". But it seems Valve doesn't want to take the gamble there.

aftbit 1y ago

Perhaps Valve will create their own payment processor, just as they created their own app store for games.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
To the extent there is someone gamers can pressure in this system, it's Valve. (Who would, in turn, take the mantle of organising gamers' interests against Visa and Mastercard.)

johnnyanmac 1y ago

Given the rabid audience there, I'd bet on Valve to be honest. They are causing this much issue over a niche section of games. Imagine if every steam purchase was affected, there'd be legitimate riots.