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Only a small minority of immigrants to the UK come through the skilled visa pathway, even if the health & social care visa numbers were added. See figure 1.3a

Only a small minority of immigrants to the UK come through the skilled visa pathway, even if the health & social care visa numbers were added. See figure 1.3a - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migration-advisory-committee-report-on-net-migration/net-migration-report-accessible https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/migration-advisor... Note that to the best of my knowledge, these numbers don't include the Afghan resettlement scheme which would further lower the proportion of employment driven visas.

12ian34 1y ago
what about nurses and cleaners
- dmix 1y ago
  Canada has legal immigration pathways for nurses, I don't see why any other country couldn't if there was strong demand. Gambling on illegal (and dangerous) border crossings to fill those sort of roles seems deeply irresponsible.
  - spauldo 1y ago
    The US doesn't really have any interest in fixing the problem. Both parties benefit from the mess we have now. That's what pisses me off about the whole thing. People buy the crap the politicians are feeding them and the immigrants are the ones that pay for it. You'd think people would have realized after decades of this crap that neither party is going to do a damn thing.
- OptionX 1y ago
  I always find funny how the new, supposedly progressive, arguments in favor of mass immigration run so close to the ones given against when slavery was abolished, that society can only exist with cheap,exploitative, labor. Who indeed will pick the cotton.
  - arrowsmith 1y ago
    Also it seems a teensy bit unfair to rob the developing world of its skilled workers so that we don't have to bother training them ourselves (plus they'll accept lower pay than natives). Aren't those nurses needed back home? https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehignett/2023/06/07/uk-hospitals-are-hiring-nurses-from-countries-that-cant-spare-them/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehignett/2023/06/07/uk-...
    - Der_Einzige 1y ago
      Unironically no because most of these countries have extremely young populations.
      - selfmodruntime 1y ago
        Unironically yes because most of these countries‘ population is sick due to low hygiene and water qualify.
      - dudeofea 1y ago
        Why do they have a young population? What happens to the old people who live in those countries? Why would that not happen in the receiving countries if enough people are imported?
        niek_pas 1y ago
        They have a young population because their birth rates are much higher than in (e.g.,) the U.K.
        dudeofea 1y ago
        In 1950 the birth rates in Africa were higher than today. Where are those old people? https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/afr/africa/birth-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/afr/afr...
  - 1y ago
- spacebanana7 1y ago
  The only employment related categories on that report are the skilled worker visa and the health & care worker visa. I presume nurses would come under the latter. For cleaners it's a little less clear which employment visa they'd have been more likely to use. Potentially either depending on the specifics of their job, their income and the precise definition of skilled worker.
- arrowsmith 1y ago
  The UK unemployment rate is 5%. That's around ~2 million people who are already here but can't find work. Do you really mean to tell me that none of those people can work as cleaners?
  - mike50 1y ago
    Of course they CAN but no one with better prospects and good command of English even if you pay a great salary.
    - arrowsmith 1y ago
      If they have "better prospects", why are they unemployed?
  - renewiltord 1y ago
    [flagged]
- selfmodruntime 1y ago
  „If we don‘t allow mass migration, who will pick the crops and wipe your mum‘s behind?“
dgroshev 1y ago
That chart is almost useless because it doesn't break down by settlement/non-settlement visa types. Study visas do not have a pathway to settlement. Students paying through the nose for the privilege of staying for a few years to study and then leaving (or getting work visas like everyone else) is hardly a bad thing.
- spacebanana7 1y ago
  Somewhat annoyingly, this is the definition of long term immigrant per UN definitions cited in the report includes students: "The use of the UN definition of long-term immigration means that whether someone should be counted as an immigrant or emigrant (and hence contribute to the net migration statistics) only becomes evident after 12 months.... Currently, the ONS publishes provisional estimates with a 5-month lag" The discussion of international students is less relevant to employment related concerns, but still contributes to other aspects of population growth like rental housing demand or water consumption.
mmarq 1y ago
Assuming these numbers are relevant and correct, there is a reason why qualified migrants prefer other countries. If you were a French or a German doctor or an engineer, would you spend 3 months fighting with the Home Office for the questionable privilege of earning £50K per annum in a country where a half decent flat costs £2500 a month?

12ian34 1y ago

what about nurses and cleaners

dmix 1y ago
Canada has legal immigration pathways for nurses, I don't see why any other country couldn't if there was strong demand. Gambling on illegal (and dangerous) border crossings to fill those sort of roles seems deeply irresponsible.
- spauldo 1y ago
  The US doesn't really have any interest in fixing the problem. Both parties benefit from the mess we have now. That's what pisses me off about the whole thing. People buy the crap the politicians are feeding them and the immigrants are the ones that pay for it. You'd think people would have realized after decades of this crap that neither party is going to do a damn thing.
OptionX 1y ago
I always find funny how the new, supposedly progressive, arguments in favor of mass immigration run so close to the ones given against when slavery was abolished, that society can only exist with cheap,exploitative, labor. Who indeed will pick the cotton.
- arrowsmith 1y ago
  Also it seems a teensy bit unfair to rob the developing world of its skilled workers so that we don't have to bother training them ourselves (plus they'll accept lower pay than natives). Aren't those nurses needed back home? https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehignett/2023/06/07/uk-hospitals-are-hiring-nurses-from-countries-that-cant-spare-them/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/katherinehignett/2023/06/07/uk-...
  - Der_Einzige 1y ago
    Unironically no because most of these countries have extremely young populations.
    - selfmodruntime 1y ago
      Unironically yes because most of these countries‘ population is sick due to low hygiene and water qualify.
    - dudeofea 1y ago
      Why do they have a young population? What happens to the old people who live in those countries? Why would that not happen in the receiving countries if enough people are imported?
      - niek_pas 1y ago
        They have a young population because their birth rates are much higher than in (e.g.,) the U.K.
        dudeofea 1y ago
        In 1950 the birth rates in Africa were higher than today. Where are those old people? https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/afr/africa/birth-rate https://www.macrotrends.net/global-metrics/countries/afr/afr...
- 1y ago
spacebanana7 1y ago
The only employment related categories on that report are the skilled worker visa and the health & care worker visa. I presume nurses would come under the latter. For cleaners it's a little less clear which employment visa they'd have been more likely to use. Potentially either depending on the specifics of their job, their income and the precise definition of skilled worker.
arrowsmith 1y ago
The UK unemployment rate is 5%. That's around ~2 million people who are already here but can't find work. Do you really mean to tell me that none of those people can work as cleaners?
- mike50 1y ago
  Of course they CAN but no one with better prospects and good command of English even if you pay a great salary.
  - arrowsmith 1y ago
    If they have "better prospects", why are they unemployed?
- renewiltord 1y ago
  [flagged]
selfmodruntime 1y ago
„If we don‘t allow mass migration, who will pick the crops and wipe your mum‘s behind?“

dgroshev 1y ago

That chart is almost useless because it doesn't break down by settlement/non-settlement visa types. Study visas do not have a pathway to settlement. Students paying through the nose for the privilege of staying for a few years to study and then leaving (or getting work visas like everyone else) is hardly a bad thing.

spacebanana7 1y ago
Somewhat annoyingly, this is the definition of long term immigrant per UN definitions cited in the report includes students: "The use of the UN definition of long-term immigration means that whether someone should be counted as an immigrant or emigrant (and hence contribute to the net migration statistics) only becomes evident after 12 months.... Currently, the ONS publishes provisional estimates with a 5-month lag" The discussion of international students is less relevant to employment related concerns, but still contributes to other aspects of population growth like rental housing demand or water consumption.

mmarq 1y ago

Assuming these numbers are relevant and correct, there is a reason why qualified migrants prefer other countries. If you were a French or a German doctor or an engineer, would you spend 3 months fighting with the Home Office for the questionable privilege of earning £50K per annum in a country where a half decent flat costs £2500 a month?