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dont worry, samsung knows only 300 people will actually care. As for me, I already swore off Samdung for their whole Samsung account bs and apps they bundle an

by sn0n 1y ago

dont worry, samsung knows only 300 people will actually care. As for me, I already swore off Samdung for their whole Samsung account bs and apps they bundle and won't let me remove (or disable).

crinkly 1y ago
Yep. Everyone I know who bought a Samsung anything (TV/Phone/Washer/Dryer) last time said it's their last Samsung product. Samsung sure know how to piss off customers.
- perching_aix 1y ago
  It's actually incredible how consistent they are with it. I'm hesitant to buy a foldable or a display from them for this very reason, even though I'd be otherwise interested.
- cudder 1y ago
  Well, I dunno. I've seen it as a lesser evil compared to many others. In ye olden times I had such a horrible time with my cheapo Samsung when trying to upgrade it from Android 1.5 to 2.1 that I swore it'd be my last Samsung, and it was, for well over a decade. During that time I went through some iPhones and a handful of the most popular alternative Android brands. Since the thread is about Android I'll focus on that. Every manufacturer was hamstrung by one or more of the following issues: - Subpar hardware - Difficult and slow RMA process where your device flies around the globe for repairs - Software bloat, just like Samsung, but from a country I trust even less (China vs SK) - Very infrequent updates (if you are lucky enough to get them at all), especially once a newer model is out Now since this thread is about bootloaders this is probably a hot take, but I spend enough of my time troubleshooting stuff at work, so when I use my phone I want it to "just work" and not have to play some stupid anti integrity protection cat and mouse game to access my bank's app. So the last two are not solved with an open bootloader. Samsung on the other hand has in recent years given me the "just works" experience on decent hardware, paired with frequent updates. And while their authorized repair shop might not be in my city, it is at least in my country and just a train ride away. That being said, the nerd in me is disappointed in this move, and the recent EU ruling that forces manufacturers to actually support the stuff they sell for a reasonable time even after it's off the shelves might change things for the better w.r.t. other manufacturers.
- jemmyw 1y ago
  I've got a Samsung dryer and when it had a fault with the door sensor they got it fixed pretty quickly. I had better service from them than Bosch or Miele - I replaced a Bosch dryer when I was totally fed up of trying to organise Bosch to fix it and being told it was at least a 6 week wait - Samsung half the price, and surprised us that it is a better dryer (faster, easier to use etc). I don't love their phones, though my wife has one. However, again on the service front, when my samsung S7 had a problem they fixed it pretty quickly. When my iPhone 5 came with the wifi not working it took weeks to convince Apple that it was actually broken and get a replacement. All anecdotal of course, and probably varies a lot by location and over time.
  - trollbridge 1y ago
    It’s amazing how nothing goes wrong with my 20+ year old Maytags, Whirlpools, or Estates by Whirlpool (their budget subbrand). No logic board failures, drain pump failures. Acquired from yard sales and then subject to duty cycles of 5-10 loads a day. Somewhat relevant, I have 3 relatives/colleagues still sporting iPhone 8’s/8 Pluses. The only issue is that some newer apps are slow. Told them to grab iPhone SE 3rd gens before they’re discontinued; one of them has it sitting unopened in the box, waiting for their 8 to die.
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    - blibble 1y ago
      > It’s amazing how nothing goes wrong with my 20+ year old Maytags, Whirlpools, or Estates by Whirlpool (their budget subbrand). No logic board failures, drain pump failures. whirlpool tumble driers are notorious in the UK for catching fire https://inews.co.uk/news/business/peterborough-fire-hotpoint-factory-trailers-explosions-whirlpool-332467 https://inews.co.uk/news/business/peterborough-fire-hotpoint... > At a parliamentary hearing in July, the US appliance company told MPs the numbers were higher than feared, after 1.7 million products were modified following the scandal. > Whirlpool said that its machines could be linked to 750 fires in the last 11 years, or one every five days. the grenfell disaster was also started by a whirlpool fridge and their factory in peterborough also caught fire
- catlikesshrimp 1y ago
  Is the alternative really better overall. We upgraded to a samsung fridge last year from two consecutive cheapo-chinese-local walmart-brands and it was worth every penny. It will pay itself in energy savings in less than two years.
  - crinkly 1y ago
    Mine cost me a whole fridge of food which was the energy savings gone. Which was my last Samsung product.
    - mhb 1y ago
      And my Samsung dryer shook itself to an early grave. Wasn't an uncommon problem, apparently. Last one for me.
- perryizgr8 1y ago
  I think their phone in the high end is the best phone on the market, unless ios is a requirement for you. Also, I bought a Samsung AC and really like the smart features. Really nice integration with Alexa too.
FerretFred 1y ago
Same here. I got so tired of fighting "the system" that wanted to manage everything, and post-updates meant mire wasted time switching off bloat/features I didn't need.
bjord 1y ago
samsung is the only smartphone manufacturer that still makes phones (though not many) with all the features I want: microSD slot, dual physical sim, side-mounted fingerprint reader, headphone jack, nfc, and regular (long-lasting) security updates they also have service centers pretty much everywhere in the world, so I can always get my phone fixed (for a reasonable price, as a result of their ubiquity) if and when I inevitably break it would I also prefer the option to unlock my bootloader? yes. if I'm honest with myself, is it a deal-breaker? sadly, no, I no longer use custom ROMs
- jjani 1y ago
  Which of their phones have all of these?
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    Other than the side mounted fingerprint meter, I replaced my Note 10 Lite with another Note 10 Lite because it had all the other features.
    - jjani 1y ago
      Yup, and it was released 6 years ago and is no longer getting security updates.
  - catlikesshrimp 1y ago
    https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a06-13265.php https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a06-13265.php This year, no NFC. https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a15-12637.php https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a15-12637.php Last year, but they removed 3.5mm this year That I know, in Latin America, they don't have all that anymore. And there is only one left with 3.5mm.
    - jjani 1y ago
      That's what I expected, especially the 3.5 mention made me suspicious.
NoboruWataya 1y ago
What do you use? Samsung are anti-consumer but none of the other big phone manufacturers seem to be much better (and historically at least Samsung's flagship phones have been pretty good hardware-wise).
- M95D 1y ago
  I try to avoid big <anything> manufacturers by default.
Der_Einzige 1y ago
Those 300 people include some experts at spiritual warfare which will guarantee that all involved in this decision will reincarnate into durian fruits in the next life.
Sunspark 1y ago
Some of the Samsung apps are better than alternatives. Google is not the best at everything.

by sn0n 1y ago

dont worry, samsung knows only 300 people will actually care. As for me, I already swore off Samdung for their whole Samsung account bs and apps they bundle and won't let me remove (or disable).

crinkly 1y ago

Yep. Everyone I know who bought a Samsung anything (TV/Phone/Washer/Dryer) last time said it's their last Samsung product. Samsung sure know how to piss off customers.

perching_aix 1y ago
It's actually incredible how consistent they are with it. I'm hesitant to buy a foldable or a display from them for this very reason, even though I'd be otherwise interested.
cudder 1y ago
Well, I dunno. I've seen it as a lesser evil compared to many others. In ye olden times I had such a horrible time with my cheapo Samsung when trying to upgrade it from Android 1.5 to 2.1 that I swore it'd be my last Samsung, and it was, for well over a decade. During that time I went through some iPhones and a handful of the most popular alternative Android brands. Since the thread is about Android I'll focus on that. Every manufacturer was hamstrung by one or more of the following issues: - Subpar hardware - Difficult and slow RMA process where your device flies around the globe for repairs - Software bloat, just like Samsung, but from a country I trust even less (China vs SK) - Very infrequent updates (if you are lucky enough to get them at all), especially once a newer model is out Now since this thread is about bootloaders this is probably a hot take, but I spend enough of my time troubleshooting stuff at work, so when I use my phone I want it to "just work" and not have to play some stupid anti integrity protection cat and mouse game to access my bank's app. So the last two are not solved with an open bootloader. Samsung on the other hand has in recent years given me the "just works" experience on decent hardware, paired with frequent updates. And while their authorized repair shop might not be in my city, it is at least in my country and just a train ride away. That being said, the nerd in me is disappointed in this move, and the recent EU ruling that forces manufacturers to actually support the stuff they sell for a reasonable time even after it's off the shelves might change things for the better w.r.t. other manufacturers.
jemmyw 1y ago
I've got a Samsung dryer and when it had a fault with the door sensor they got it fixed pretty quickly. I had better service from them than Bosch or Miele - I replaced a Bosch dryer when I was totally fed up of trying to organise Bosch to fix it and being told it was at least a 6 week wait - Samsung half the price, and surprised us that it is a better dryer (faster, easier to use etc). I don't love their phones, though my wife has one. However, again on the service front, when my samsung S7 had a problem they fixed it pretty quickly. When my iPhone 5 came with the wifi not working it took weeks to convince Apple that it was actually broken and get a replacement. All anecdotal of course, and probably varies a lot by location and over time.
- trollbridge 1y ago
  It’s amazing how nothing goes wrong with my 20+ year old Maytags, Whirlpools, or Estates by Whirlpool (their budget subbrand). No logic board failures, drain pump failures. Acquired from yard sales and then subject to duty cycles of 5-10 loads a day. Somewhat relevant, I have 3 relatives/colleagues still sporting iPhone 8’s/8 Pluses. The only issue is that some newer apps are slow. Told them to grab iPhone SE 3rd gens before they’re discontinued; one of them has it sitting unopened in the box, waiting for their 8 to die.
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  - blibble 1y ago
    > It’s amazing how nothing goes wrong with my 20+ year old Maytags, Whirlpools, or Estates by Whirlpool (their budget subbrand). No logic board failures, drain pump failures. whirlpool tumble driers are notorious in the UK for catching fire https://inews.co.uk/news/business/peterborough-fire-hotpoint-factory-trailers-explosions-whirlpool-332467 https://inews.co.uk/news/business/peterborough-fire-hotpoint... > At a parliamentary hearing in July, the US appliance company told MPs the numbers were higher than feared, after 1.7 million products were modified following the scandal. > Whirlpool said that its machines could be linked to 750 fires in the last 11 years, or one every five days. the grenfell disaster was also started by a whirlpool fridge and their factory in peterborough also caught fire
catlikesshrimp 1y ago
Is the alternative really better overall. We upgraded to a samsung fridge last year from two consecutive cheapo-chinese-local walmart-brands and it was worth every penny. It will pay itself in energy savings in less than two years.
- crinkly 1y ago
  Mine cost me a whole fridge of food which was the energy savings gone. Which was my last Samsung product.
  - mhb 1y ago
    And my Samsung dryer shook itself to an early grave. Wasn't an uncommon problem, apparently. Last one for me.
perryizgr8 1y ago
I think their phone in the high end is the best phone on the market, unless ios is a requirement for you. Also, I bought a Samsung AC and really like the smart features. Really nice integration with Alexa too.

FerretFred 1y ago

Same here. I got so tired of fighting "the system" that wanted to manage everything, and post-updates meant mire wasted time switching off bloat/features I didn't need.

bjord 1y ago

samsung is the only smartphone manufacturer that still makes phones (though not many) with all the features I want: microSD slot, dual physical sim, side-mounted fingerprint reader, headphone jack, nfc, and regular (long-lasting) security updates they also have service centers pretty much everywhere in the world, so I can always get my phone fixed (for a reasonable price, as a result of their ubiquity) if and when I inevitably break it would I also prefer the option to unlock my bootloader? yes. if I'm honest with myself, is it a deal-breaker? sadly, no, I no longer use custom ROMs

jjani 1y ago
Which of their phones have all of these?
- dotancohen 1y ago
  Other than the side mounted fingerprint meter, I replaced my Note 10 Lite with another Note 10 Lite because it had all the other features.
  - jjani 1y ago
    Yup, and it was released 6 years ago and is no longer getting security updates.
- catlikesshrimp 1y ago
  https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a06-13265.php https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a06-13265.php This year, no NFC. https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a15-12637.php https://m.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_a15-12637.php Last year, but they removed 3.5mm this year That I know, in Latin America, they don't have all that anymore. And there is only one left with 3.5mm.
  - jjani 1y ago
    That's what I expected, especially the 3.5 mention made me suspicious.

NoboruWataya 1y ago

What do you use? Samsung are anti-consumer but none of the other big phone manufacturers seem to be much better (and historically at least Samsung's flagship phones have been pretty good hardware-wise).

M95D 1y ago
I try to avoid big <anything> manufacturers by default.

Der_Einzige 1y ago

Those 300 people include some experts at spiritual warfare which will guarantee that all involved in this decision will reincarnate into durian fruits in the next life.

Sunspark 1y ago

Some of the Samsung apps are better than alternatives. Google is not the best at everything.