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That's a misconception about military aid. That money is flowing straight back to US defense companies. It's not actually costing the US; it's profiting from th

That's a misconception about military aid. That money is flowing straight back to US defense companies. It's not actually costing the US; it's profiting from this. And it's not actually tax payer money but freshly minted dollars that are created through debt. Nobody is getting taxed "extra" to pay for all this. If you strip away all the moralism and suffering, the conflicts (plural) in the middle east and increasingly Ukraine are all about keeping the defense industry and the economy going. Same with Ukraine. Same with just about any other conflict where countries like the US supply the weapons.

ozgrakkurt 1y ago
You mean they are funneling their citizens’ money into some private corporations, and killing a decent number of children while doing it? Edit: they are helping to kill the children, they are not doing it themselves
burnt-resistor 1y ago
Doesn't change the end result, but it paints a moral dimension on those who actively profit from the deaths of imprisoned civilians. The money goes into the pockets of the owners of mostly American defense contractors' owners, arms leave for conflict zones, and mostly civilians where Gaza is concerned get made homeless, injured, or flee for tent cities, only to be pushed around again. Conflating Ukraine with Gaza is genocide-denial gaslighting.
rlt 1y ago
> And it's not actually tax payer money but freshly minted dollars that are created through debt Minting dollars is a form of taxation (albeit one partially paid by foreign entities that hold dollars)
simonh 1y ago
This is the US devoting resources to do one thing, build things go bang abroad, instead of doing other things like building/renewing infrastructure or providing services to citizens. So, that is a cost. The question is what are the benefits. In Ukraine I can see that, in Israel it’s got a lot more messy.
cherryteastain 1y ago
Nonsense. If the US instead just ordered $24B of military equipment and gave it to Israel would you still be calling it 'not a donation'? The two are equivalent.
jalapenos 1y ago
That's some top tier clown economics. Do you think the labor and resources that went into creating that materiel would vanish if it wasn't created? Like a missile is magic and conjures engineers and metal into existence just to fulfil its creation? Oh and in fact leaves a little left over, the "profit", because thankyou for giving it some schools to obliterate? What would we do if we weren't blowing people to bits huh, building theme parks or something instead - oh the waste! Think of the ~slaughter~... ahem, I mean the "economy"!
- red-iron-pine 1y ago
  the profit was made by defense contractors when it was built. and flows as wages to the workers in GA / VA / wherever building it. what happens after it's made is a function of utility. lotta waste, but if a 2 million missile can trash 4 million in buildings, cars, and humans, then it is still a win, even if there is no profit.

ozgrakkurt 1y ago

You mean they are funneling their citizens’ money into some private corporations, and killing a decent number of children while doing it? Edit: they are helping to kill the children, they are not doing it themselves

burnt-resistor 1y ago

Doesn't change the end result, but it paints a moral dimension on those who actively profit from the deaths of imprisoned civilians. The money goes into the pockets of the owners of mostly American defense contractors' owners, arms leave for conflict zones, and mostly civilians where Gaza is concerned get made homeless, injured, or flee for tent cities, only to be pushed around again. Conflating Ukraine with Gaza is genocide-denial gaslighting.

rlt 1y ago

> And it's not actually tax payer money but freshly minted dollars that are created through debt Minting dollars is a form of taxation (albeit one partially paid by foreign entities that hold dollars)

simonh 1y ago

This is the US devoting resources to do one thing, build things go bang abroad, instead of doing other things like building/renewing infrastructure or providing services to citizens. So, that is a cost. The question is what are the benefits. In Ukraine I can see that, in Israel it’s got a lot more messy.

cherryteastain 1y ago

Nonsense. If the US instead just ordered $24B of military equipment and gave it to Israel would you still be calling it 'not a donation'? The two are equivalent.

jalapenos 1y ago

That's some top tier clown economics. Do you think the labor and resources that went into creating that materiel would vanish if it wasn't created? Like a missile is magic and conjures engineers and metal into existence just to fulfil its creation? Oh and in fact leaves a little left over, the "profit", because thankyou for giving it some schools to obliterate? What would we do if we weren't blowing people to bits huh, building theme parks or something instead - oh the waste! Think of the ~slaughter~... ahem, I mean the "economy"!

red-iron-pine 1y ago
the profit was made by defense contractors when it was built. and flows as wages to the workers in GA / VA / wherever building it. what happens after it's made is a function of utility. lotta waste, but if a 2 million missile can trash 4 million in buildings, cars, and humans, then it is still a win, even if there is no profit.