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Xi is fairly popular in China tho, unlike this "labour" govt.

by derelicta 1y ago

dkdbejwi383 1y ago
Do they regularly poll British political parties for popularity in China?
- derelicta 1y ago
  It was obvious to everyone that i was talking about the popularity of these govts in their respective countries.
  - dkdbejwi383 1y ago
    What’s your source for the labour government’s unpopularity? Not that I necessarily think you’re wrong, it’s just more indifference towards them that I see, more of the same etc.
    - jbstack 1y ago
      Here's a couple of recent Yougov polls: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52187-political-favourability-ratings-may-2025 https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52187-political-favou... "Keir Starmer falls to lowest net favourability rating on record" "Labour’s popularity hit isn’t merely limited to Keir Starmer, with worst-ever net favourability scores also recorded this month by deputy prime minister Angela Rayner (-31) and home secretary Yvette Cooper (-25), while Rachel Reeves has equalled her -48 net favourability rating recorded in mid-April." "65% of Britons dislike the Labour Party, the most in the eight years YouGov has been asking the question"
gitremote 1y ago
How would you know? In countries without free speech where anti-government speech is illegal, the only legal speech is pro-government or neutral.
- derelicta 1y ago
  I would know cuz there are independent polls made by western NGOs: https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index
  - scott_w 1y ago
    Immaterial how independent they are because it's completely impossible to get honest opinions of repressive regimes. The people within the regime have no real way to know whether a poll response will make it back to the government or not, so they must assume that it will. When the repercussions for having the wrong opinion are that you disappear or find yourself "volunteered" for the front line, it's best to either lie or say you think the leader is a top bloke. You can watch Youtube videos of citizens refusing to answer contentious questions quite easily. I believe William Spaniel has produced videos (relating to the Russian General Election) where he points this out, too.
    - derelicta 1y ago
      How can you tell it is a repressive regime? They have elections, a press and they are pretty satisfied about their form of governance, actually much more than their western counterparts. So let me sum this up. We cannot ask the people. We cannot base ourselves on how their institutions function and how well they perform. This discussion highlights how westerners suffer from some serious superiority complex where only THEY can experience genuine freedom and democracy(probably due to their superior phenotype or some inane bs), and everything outside of their little group of friends is a masquerade. The issue with that is that westerners disconnect themselves from reality. They are losing ground and it shows.
      - arccy 1y ago
        if people refuse to answer contentious questions about their regime... it's probably repressive.
        1y ago
Saline9515 1y ago
Which is the aim of restricting every information channel and starting the brainwashing in primary school? I'm sure Kim Jong Un is very popular in North Korea, too!
- derelicta 1y ago
  This is an insane take. You'd know this if you had ever talked with a Chinese person before instead of believing the silly propaganda they spread in your "free" press.
  - mitthrowaway2 1y ago
    It's a fair take and I expect that Kim Jong Un truly is very popular in North Korea.
  - Saline9515 1y ago
    I indeed discussed with many young chinese persons while at university and found everyone mostly unaware of the real history of the CCP in the XXth century. The only ones with a realistic view of what's happening are the sons of the CCP hierarchs, who are emigrating to Canada or Australia.

Xi is fairly popular in China tho, unlike this "labour" govt.

dkdbejwi383 1y ago

Do they regularly poll British political parties for popularity in China?

derelicta 1y ago
It was obvious to everyone that i was talking about the popularity of these govts in their respective countries.
- dkdbejwi383 1y ago
  What’s your source for the labour government’s unpopularity? Not that I necessarily think you’re wrong, it’s just more indifference towards them that I see, more of the same etc.
  - jbstack 1y ago
    Here's a couple of recent Yougov polls: https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52187-political-favourability-ratings-may-2025 https://yougov.co.uk/politics/articles/52187-political-favou... "Keir Starmer falls to lowest net favourability rating on record" "Labour’s popularity hit isn’t merely limited to Keir Starmer, with worst-ever net favourability scores also recorded this month by deputy prime minister Angela Rayner (-31) and home secretary Yvette Cooper (-25), while Rachel Reeves has equalled her -48 net favourability rating recorded in mid-April." "65% of Britons dislike the Labour Party, the most in the eight years YouGov has been asking the question"

gitremote 1y ago

How would you know? In countries without free speech where anti-government speech is illegal, the only legal speech is pro-government or neutral.

derelicta 1y ago
I would know cuz there are independent polls made by western NGOs: https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index https://allianceofdemocracies.org/democracy-perception-index
- scott_w 1y ago
  Immaterial how independent they are because it's completely impossible to get honest opinions of repressive regimes. The people within the regime have no real way to know whether a poll response will make it back to the government or not, so they must assume that it will. When the repercussions for having the wrong opinion are that you disappear or find yourself "volunteered" for the front line, it's best to either lie or say you think the leader is a top bloke. You can watch Youtube videos of citizens refusing to answer contentious questions quite easily. I believe William Spaniel has produced videos (relating to the Russian General Election) where he points this out, too.
  - derelicta 1y ago
    How can you tell it is a repressive regime? They have elections, a press and they are pretty satisfied about their form of governance, actually much more than their western counterparts. So let me sum this up. We cannot ask the people. We cannot base ourselves on how their institutions function and how well they perform. This discussion highlights how westerners suffer from some serious superiority complex where only THEY can experience genuine freedom and democracy(probably due to their superior phenotype or some inane bs), and everything outside of their little group of friends is a masquerade. The issue with that is that westerners disconnect themselves from reality. They are losing ground and it shows.
    - arccy 1y ago
      if people refuse to answer contentious questions about their regime... it's probably repressive.
      - 1y ago

Saline9515 1y ago

Which is the aim of restricting every information channel and starting the brainwashing in primary school? I'm sure Kim Jong Un is very popular in North Korea, too!

derelicta 1y ago
This is an insane take. You'd know this if you had ever talked with a Chinese person before instead of believing the silly propaganda they spread in your "free" press.
- mitthrowaway2 1y ago
  It's a fair take and I expect that Kim Jong Un truly is very popular in North Korea.
- Saline9515 1y ago
  I indeed discussed with many young chinese persons while at university and found everyone mostly unaware of the real history of the CCP in the XXth century. The only ones with a realistic view of what's happening are the sons of the CCP hierarchs, who are emigrating to Canada or Australia.