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Back with palladium the people that used computers were still mostly knowledgeable like us. These days everyone carries a phone and nobody really understands th

Back with palladium the people that used computers were still mostly knowledgeable like us. These days everyone carries a phone and nobody really understands the impact. In fact many people in the EU are even against the opening of iOS because they feel comfortable in apple's walled garden. Many people consider privacy a lost battle (I often get the argument "why are you railing against this, you have no privacy anymore anyway"). And that's from intelligent people usually.

somenameforme 1y ago
People often say things like this, but it's not supported by polling (or my own extensive anecdotal evidence) whatsoever. [1] For instance 81% believe the risks outweigh the benefits of corporate data collection, and 66% believe the same of government data collection. 64% would be uncomfortable with companies sharing their personal data with outside groups doing research that "might help them improve society", which is great because it shows people understand that such phrases aren't just about sitting around and singing kumbaya. [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-and-privacy-concerned-confused-and-feeling-lack-of-control-over-their-personal-information/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-an...
- userbinator 1y ago
  What people say in polling is different from what they will actually do. IMHO "would be uncomfortable" is not a strong opinion. "Oppose and actively seek to prevent" is a strong opinion. In my experience the majority just have a sense of learned helplessness.
  - somenameforme 1y ago
    I agree in general, but the person I was responding to was implying the equal but opposite in that claiming he "often" faced the argument of "why are you railing against this, you have no privacy anymore anyway." People are usually quite interested to learn about ways to can work against the dystopia to some degree. For a specific example I've converted numerous of people to Brave users just by demoing the ad-block and privacy features. People who have never used ad-block are often in borderline disbelief. Not once has a person ever been like 'oh why bother.' That is just literally unbelievable.
    - Zak 1y ago
      I actually did have a relative refuse adblocking via DNS after I demonstrated it on their iPhone; it kept them from watching ads for free stuff in a game, and it's not easy to toggle on the iPhone. That's one out of dozens though. Most people are thrilled by the improved experience.
rickdeckard 1y ago
> In fact many people in the EU are even against the opening of iOS True, but I am not sure it is even that many people. This whole narrative is strongly driven by Apple themselves, one of their strategies against regulations like the EU Digital Markets Act is to rally its userbase against the EU.

somenameforme 1y ago

People often say things like this, but it's not supported by polling (or my own extensive anecdotal evidence) whatsoever. [1] For instance 81% believe the risks outweigh the benefits of corporate data collection, and 66% believe the same of government data collection. 64% would be uncomfortable with companies sharing their personal data with outside groups doing research that "might help them improve society", which is great because it shows people understand that such phrases aren't just about sitting around and singing kumbaya. [1] - https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-and-privacy-concerned-confused-and-feeling-lack-of-control-over-their-personal-information/ https://www.pewresearch.org/internet/2019/11/15/americans-an...

userbinator 1y ago
What people say in polling is different from what they will actually do. IMHO "would be uncomfortable" is not a strong opinion. "Oppose and actively seek to prevent" is a strong opinion. In my experience the majority just have a sense of learned helplessness.
- somenameforme 1y ago
  I agree in general, but the person I was responding to was implying the equal but opposite in that claiming he "often" faced the argument of "why are you railing against this, you have no privacy anymore anyway." People are usually quite interested to learn about ways to can work against the dystopia to some degree. For a specific example I've converted numerous of people to Brave users just by demoing the ad-block and privacy features. People who have never used ad-block are often in borderline disbelief. Not once has a person ever been like 'oh why bother.' That is just literally unbelievable.
  - Zak 1y ago
    I actually did have a relative refuse adblocking via DNS after I demonstrated it on their iPhone; it kept them from watching ads for free stuff in a game, and it's not easy to toggle on the iPhone. That's one out of dozens though. Most people are thrilled by the improved experience.

rickdeckard 1y ago

> In fact many people in the EU are even against the opening of iOS True, but I am not sure it is even that many people. This whole narrative is strongly driven by Apple themselves, one of their strategies against regulations like the EU Digital Markets Act is to rally its userbase against the EU.