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what's the rush on age verification? why does it need to happen now and not in a decade after working on digital ID and battle testing that etc?

wkat4242 1y ago
Because it's a conservative talking point. And they're appeasing them with all the extreme right parties popping up all over Europe
- rixed 1y ago
  The role played in the US by grassroot conservative bigots have no equivalent in the EU. The push for authoritarianism seems to come purely from above. My intuition, from personal anecdotes, is that after 30 years of widening gap between the haves and the have nots, the haves are increasingly terrified buy their own populations.
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    Unfortunately these bigots are also active in europe. Especially that org from Ashley Kutcher. They have several EU Commission members actively listening to them. This is where all the ChatControl idiocy comes from. I agree there's ulterior motives too though.
- nsksl 1y ago
  Age verification is not a conservative talking point in Europe. I live in Western Europe where conservatives simply do not exist and the government is trying to push an age verification solution too.
  - microtonal 1y ago
    I live in Western Europe and conservatives were ruling the in my country until one of them blew up the government (over a typical topic that conservatives are obsessing over). Apologies if it isn't, but since this is a new account only writing anti-EU comments so far, seems like troll army astro turfing. (I think it's worth calling that out, since we don't need HN poisoned by that stuff.)
    - nsksl 1y ago
      How is this comment anti-EU?
- _w1tm 1y ago
  That seems odd considering that the extreme right is the one using social media most to influence the voters with disinformation. I would expect the extreme right to be completely opposed to age controls on social media.
  - wkat4242 1y ago
    This isn't for all social media, just for NSFW content.
    - _w1tm 1y ago
      Some countries want this to block social media from kids: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-paves-way-to-ban-social-media-for-minors/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-paves-way-to-ban-social-m... Porn is not such a big deal but social media flooded by Russian/Chinese/American propaganda is destabilizing our societies. The least we can do is try to keep our youth from losing their minds over it.
- pndy 1y ago
  This issue is beyond any political ideology. This is about having a grip over ordinary citizens so they wouldn't become a threat to any government.
sunshine-o 1y ago
Because they need to put a lid ASAP on internal discourse, so they are rushing any form of digital control. People do not realise how dangerous the situation is. We are already in the kinetic phase of a world war with conflicts erupting everywhere, any major financial problem will trigger a chain reaction. Just recently: - A lot of people don't want to hear this but Trump just wiped the floor with Ursula with the new trade deal. It will collapse the EU economies even more. - At few days earlier China humiliated the EU just by packing the official delegation in a bus with nobody to welcome them. - And of course the EU inherited the Ukraine situation and is loosing a major war. Once a major power find itself in this situation it get challenged from the inside. Individual countries will be tempted to elect Euro skeptic leaders and breakaway from the sinking ship by making deals with Russia, the US or China to save themselves. The initial idea and force of the EU was "stronger together". But if a succession of strategic moves by its leadership make you weaker then the deal is off.
- Workaccount2 1y ago
  >It will collapse the EU economies even more. Europe is going to have to swallow (probably choke) on the pill that the avg US worker works four hundred more hours a year than their German counterparts. Two hundred more than the average Frenchman. If the EU is going to boost defense spending to cover a gap in the US funding of staving off the EU's bad neighbor, there is going to be pain. Either more working hours, less social programs, higher taxes, or some combination. They'll probably reach for more draconian regulations to squeeze as much money from industry as possible, and likely kill it in the process. Then they will complain that they are beholden to foreign companies.

wkat4242 1y ago

Because it's a conservative talking point. And they're appeasing them with all the extreme right parties popping up all over Europe

rixed 1y ago
The role played in the US by grassroot conservative bigots have no equivalent in the EU. The push for authoritarianism seems to come purely from above. My intuition, from personal anecdotes, is that after 30 years of widening gap between the haves and the have nots, the haves are increasingly terrified buy their own populations.
- wkat4242 1y ago
  Unfortunately these bigots are also active in europe. Especially that org from Ashley Kutcher. They have several EU Commission members actively listening to them. This is where all the ChatControl idiocy comes from. I agree there's ulterior motives too though.
nsksl 1y ago
Age verification is not a conservative talking point in Europe. I live in Western Europe where conservatives simply do not exist and the government is trying to push an age verification solution too.
- microtonal 1y ago
  I live in Western Europe and conservatives were ruling the in my country until one of them blew up the government (over a typical topic that conservatives are obsessing over). Apologies if it isn't, but since this is a new account only writing anti-EU comments so far, seems like troll army astro turfing. (I think it's worth calling that out, since we don't need HN poisoned by that stuff.)
  - nsksl 1y ago
    How is this comment anti-EU?
_w1tm 1y ago
That seems odd considering that the extreme right is the one using social media most to influence the voters with disinformation. I would expect the extreme right to be completely opposed to age controls on social media.
- wkat4242 1y ago
  This isn't for all social media, just for NSFW content.
  - _w1tm 1y ago
    Some countries want this to block social media from kids: https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-paves-way-to-ban-social-media-for-minors/ https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-paves-way-to-ban-social-m... Porn is not such a big deal but social media flooded by Russian/Chinese/American propaganda is destabilizing our societies. The least we can do is try to keep our youth from losing their minds over it.
pndy 1y ago
This issue is beyond any political ideology. This is about having a grip over ordinary citizens so they wouldn't become a threat to any government.

sunshine-o 1y ago

Because they need to put a lid ASAP on internal discourse, so they are rushing any form of digital control. People do not realise how dangerous the situation is. We are already in the kinetic phase of a world war with conflicts erupting everywhere, any major financial problem will trigger a chain reaction. Just recently: - A lot of people don't want to hear this but Trump just wiped the floor with Ursula with the new trade deal. It will collapse the EU economies even more. - At few days earlier China humiliated the EU just by packing the official delegation in a bus with nobody to welcome them. - And of course the EU inherited the Ukraine situation and is loosing a major war. Once a major power find itself in this situation it get challenged from the inside. Individual countries will be tempted to elect Euro skeptic leaders and breakaway from the sinking ship by making deals with Russia, the US or China to save themselves. The initial idea and force of the EU was "stronger together". But if a succession of strategic moves by its leadership make you weaker then the deal is off.

Workaccount2 1y ago
>It will collapse the EU economies even more. Europe is going to have to swallow (probably choke) on the pill that the avg US worker works four hundred more hours a year than their German counterparts. Two hundred more than the average Frenchman. If the EU is going to boost defense spending to cover a gap in the US funding of staving off the EU's bad neighbor, there is going to be pain. Either more working hours, less social programs, higher taxes, or some combination. They'll probably reach for more draconian regulations to squeeze as much money from industry as possible, and likely kill it in the process. Then they will complain that they are beholden to foreign companies.