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Because of goomba fallacy. The EU is not a hegemonic state, but rather an economic supranational organization. France/Germany tend to be primary proponents of

by wting 1y ago

Because of goomba fallacy. The EU is not a hegemonic state, but rather an economic supranational organization. France/Germany tend to be primary proponents of increased EU strategic autonomy, while Poland/Czech/Baltic states are less supportive. Similar to recent discussions of self-hosting, it's a tradeoff of autonomy/control vs efficiency.

alephnerd 1y ago
> Germany tend to be primary proponents of increased EU strategic autonomy Germany isn't doing this as much anymore, because Germany Inc has become increasingly dependent on their investments within the US [0], especially after the triple whammy of the Biden-era IRA [1], the sanctions on Russia sparking a domestic energy crisis [2], and Chinese players outcompeting German industry in China [3]. This can be seen with Germany purchasing American weapons for Ukraine over French objections [4] [0] - https://flow.db.com/more/macro-and-markets/us-german-trade-ramps-up https://flow.db.com/more/macro-and-markets/us-german-trade-r... [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/german-go-it-alone-response-to-biden-s-ira-sets-off-alarm-for-eu https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/german-go... [2] - https://oec.world/en/blog/bavarias-dependency-on-russian-gas-runs-deep https://oec.world/en/blog/bavarias-dependency-on-russian-gas... [3] - https://www.reuters.com/business/majority-german-firms-feel-unfair-competition-china-commerce-chamber-says-2024-04-10/ https://www.reuters.com/business/majority-german-firms-feel-... [4] - https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-donald-trump-weapons-aid-war-in-ukraine-nato/ https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-donald-trump-weapons-...
wkat4242 1y ago
> Because of goomba fallacy. > The EU is not a hegemonic state, but rather an economic supranational organization. France/Germany tend to be primary proponents of increased EU strategic autonomy, while Poland/Czech/Baltic states are less supportive. Well obviously, these states know how bad the Russians are since they were terrorised by them for decades. They'll be the first on the chopping block. And they know that Europe does not have much deterrent of its own right now so they're screwed without the US. Though this will come.
- bjoli 1y ago
  They are not so stupid to believe that this kind of dependency (the android one) is consequential in any way.
- dotancohen 1y ago
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  - edgineer 1y ago
    Stories of Russian war crimes personally experienced post-invasion told in my family
    - dotancohen 1y ago
      Sure, nobody is denying that. That does not contradict the argument (not mine) that perhaps people lived more secure lives under Soviet rule. Note that I define "more secure" as in not living in fear of losing home and income. Not necessarily that their standard of living was as good as those in the West.
      - calgoo 1y ago
        It depends: if you are part of the party and things are going good then yes. However, if you are from a group of people that you government has decided is trouble, then you tend to disappear in the night. Like my mother in law who says things where so safe when there was police on every corner in Spain during the dictatorship but my father in law was hiding "reds" under the floorboards as they where Jewish and being procecuted. One does not take away from the other, instead of criminals threatening you it's the government goons.
        dotancohen 1y ago
        > if you are from a group of people that you government has decided is trouble, then you tend to disappear in the night. So this really is a case of survivorship bias. Those that survived the Soviet times, remember it, not fondly, but as a more secure time. Those that didn't survive, we don't hear their accounts very much. > my father in law was hiding "reds" under the floorboards as they where Jewish and being procecuted. Why were the Jews being persecuted then?

by wting 1y ago

alephnerd 1y ago

> Germany tend to be primary proponents of increased EU strategic autonomy Germany isn't doing this as much anymore, because Germany Inc has become increasingly dependent on their investments within the US [0], especially after the triple whammy of the Biden-era IRA [1], the sanctions on Russia sparking a domestic energy crisis [2], and Chinese players outcompeting German industry in China [3]. This can be seen with Germany purchasing American weapons for Ukraine over French objections [4] [0] - https://flow.db.com/more/macro-and-markets/us-german-trade-ramps-up https://flow.db.com/more/macro-and-markets/us-german-trade-r... [1] - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/german-go-it-alone-response-to-biden-s-ira-sets-off-alarm-for-eu https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-12-14/german-go... [2] - https://oec.world/en/blog/bavarias-dependency-on-russian-gas-runs-deep https://oec.world/en/blog/bavarias-dependency-on-russian-gas... [3] - https://www.reuters.com/business/majority-german-firms-feel-unfair-competition-china-commerce-chamber-says-2024-04-10/ https://www.reuters.com/business/majority-german-firms-feel-... [4] - https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-donald-trump-weapons-aid-war-in-ukraine-nato/ https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-donald-trump-weapons-...

wkat4242 1y ago

> Because of goomba fallacy. > The EU is not a hegemonic state, but rather an economic supranational organization. France/Germany tend to be primary proponents of increased EU strategic autonomy, while Poland/Czech/Baltic states are less supportive. Well obviously, these states know how bad the Russians are since they were terrorised by them for decades. They'll be the first on the chopping block. And they know that Europe does not have much deterrent of its own right now so they're screwed without the US. Though this will come.

bjoli 1y ago
They are not so stupid to believe that this kind of dependency (the android one) is consequential in any way.
dotancohen 1y ago
[flagged]
- edgineer 1y ago
  Stories of Russian war crimes personally experienced post-invasion told in my family
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    Sure, nobody is denying that. That does not contradict the argument (not mine) that perhaps people lived more secure lives under Soviet rule. Note that I define "more secure" as in not living in fear of losing home and income. Not necessarily that their standard of living was as good as those in the West.
    - calgoo 1y ago
      It depends: if you are part of the party and things are going good then yes. However, if you are from a group of people that you government has decided is trouble, then you tend to disappear in the night. Like my mother in law who says things where so safe when there was police on every corner in Spain during the dictatorship but my father in law was hiding "reds" under the floorboards as they where Jewish and being procecuted. One does not take away from the other, instead of criminals threatening you it's the government goons.
      - dotancohen 1y ago
        > if you are from a group of people that you government has decided is trouble, then you tend to disappear in the night. So this really is a case of survivorship bias. Those that survived the Soviet times, remember it, not fondly, but as a more secure time. Those that didn't survive, we don't hear their accounts very much. > my father in law was hiding "reds" under the floorboards as they where Jewish and being procecuted. Why were the Jews being persecuted then?