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This apologia for the cuts would be more persuasive if they didn’t come in concert with record-breaking increases to the pentagon budget and historic deficits.

This apologia for the cuts would be more persuasive if they didn’t come in concert with record-breaking increases to the pentagon budget and historic deficits. There’s no calculation happening here with present or future value, they’re lavishly funding things they like and decimating things they don’t. You don’t place a reality TV ‘star’ as the director of any agency you care about.

godelski 1y ago
> This apologia for the cut What gave you the impression I was in favor of the cuts?
- watwut 1y ago
  Sanewashing would be better word ... it is kneed jerk tendency with anything republicans and especially Trump related. Even when what they do is clearly crap, people find ways to rationalize it and make it sound better then it is. Sometimes better amounts to "still bad" as in here, but it is still a bunch of claims that make Conservatives lead by Trump sound much better then what they actually are.
  - godelski 1y ago
    And you don't think understanding how people delude themselves is good to 1) convince them 2) not fall prone to the same traps? I'm not excusing anyone. But you are picking fights with people on your own team. So maybe pay closer attention to what people say and not just signaling. Personally I want to fix things, not pick random needless fights. I want to stop chaos, not create more. Picking fights is just what Trump wants you to do
    - watwut 1y ago
      > And you don't think understanding how people delude themselves is good to 1) convince them 2) not fall prone to the same traps? I think that if you project wrong motivations on them, you wont understand how they "deluded" themselves nor prevent yourself to fall for the same trap. If their motivation is "scientists are liberals and I want to hurt them" or "I want actually Christian conservative religious state and these institutions are threat to that goal", no amount of theorizing about money saving will get you to the understanding. If you want to start with understanding someone's motivation, you can not start by projecting best most palatable motivations on them. Nor should you start be projecting worst ones ... but that is NOT where we are or were for years. For years, conservatives and especially Trump had best possible motivations projected on them. And it only served to their benefit. The whole center ended up not believing their goals, even as they stated or wrote about them regularly. The whole center was busy policing those who actually listened to conservatives and very accurately predicted what they will do. Again and again. > Personally I want to fix things, not pick random needless fights. I want to stop chaos, not create more. You are not stopping the chaos by making what is going on more palatable by sane washing it. It just empowers the chaos. > Picking fights is just what Trump wants you to do No, Trump want us all to act like republicans do. Never argue with him, enable enable enable. Praise him and kiss his behind.
      - godelski 1y ago
        You're right that's there's a breath of opinions and values but you're wrong to be applying such a broad brush, especially when painting with hate. If you hate Trump so much I highly suggest not supporting him

godelski 1y ago

> This apologia for the cut What gave you the impression I was in favor of the cuts?

watwut 1y ago
Sanewashing would be better word ... it is kneed jerk tendency with anything republicans and especially Trump related. Even when what they do is clearly crap, people find ways to rationalize it and make it sound better then it is. Sometimes better amounts to "still bad" as in here, but it is still a bunch of claims that make Conservatives lead by Trump sound much better then what they actually are.
- godelski 1y ago
  And you don't think understanding how people delude themselves is good to 1) convince them 2) not fall prone to the same traps? I'm not excusing anyone. But you are picking fights with people on your own team. So maybe pay closer attention to what people say and not just signaling. Personally I want to fix things, not pick random needless fights. I want to stop chaos, not create more. Picking fights is just what Trump wants you to do
  - watwut 1y ago
    > And you don't think understanding how people delude themselves is good to 1) convince them 2) not fall prone to the same traps? I think that if you project wrong motivations on them, you wont understand how they "deluded" themselves nor prevent yourself to fall for the same trap. If their motivation is "scientists are liberals and I want to hurt them" or "I want actually Christian conservative religious state and these institutions are threat to that goal", no amount of theorizing about money saving will get you to the understanding. If you want to start with understanding someone's motivation, you can not start by projecting best most palatable motivations on them. Nor should you start be projecting worst ones ... but that is NOT where we are or were for years. For years, conservatives and especially Trump had best possible motivations projected on them. And it only served to their benefit. The whole center ended up not believing their goals, even as they stated or wrote about them regularly. The whole center was busy policing those who actually listened to conservatives and very accurately predicted what they will do. Again and again. > Personally I want to fix things, not pick random needless fights. I want to stop chaos, not create more. You are not stopping the chaos by making what is going on more palatable by sane washing it. It just empowers the chaos. > Picking fights is just what Trump wants you to do No, Trump want us all to act like republicans do. Never argue with him, enable enable enable. Praise him and kiss his behind.
    - godelski 1y ago
      You're right that's there's a breath of opinions and values but you're wrong to be applying such a broad brush, especially when painting with hate. If you hate Trump so much I highly suggest not supporting him