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Ugh. There's just no winning with tech anymore. I use GrapheneOS as a daily driver and I absolutely love it. It should be the default. There's already one app

Ugh. There's just no winning with tech anymore. I use GrapheneOS as a daily driver and I absolutely love it. It should be the default. There's already one app I use that must do something similar and absolutely just won't run on it, so I have an entirely separate phone running stock Android just for that one app. Still worth the hassle. Glad I don't live in a place where all this madness is taking root, but still, the trend itself sucks.

superkuh 1y ago
The only winning move is not to play the game. One has to have a phone these days but you don't have to do your computing on it (during personal time). Use a real computer instead.
- latentsea 1y ago
  Great advice that I just can't take.
- IlikeKitties 1y ago
  > I would like to pay for goods and services online. > Very well sir, which digital payment service would you like to use? > It doesn't matter they all force me to use my phone.
  - ranyume 1y ago
    It's pretty crazy. You can be authenticated on a website, and the website still asks you to use your phone to.. validate what you're doing on the pc.
- Aachen 1y ago
  This software doesn't run on a real computer. The point of the submission is that it only runs on a DRM device from two entrenched vendors
  - superkuh 1y ago
    Why would you want to run a locked down a crippled version of linux when you can run the real thing? And if there really are services that only are accessible through iphone/android applications, you probably should not support them.
    - Aachen 1y ago
      Why indeed! I would agree, but sadly that's not supported by this government verification software. If you want to use the internet, it sounds like this will become mandatory for many websites hosted in the EU that have content that needs to be locked away from kids under 13 or so. If you think we should oppose that, I'm right by your side
ajsnigrutin 1y ago
It's not a tech issue, it's a regulation issue. EU wants to push more control on the internet, today it's "think of the children" but when the infrastructure is rolled out, it'll be "real name verifiction" on social media, chat control, etc. Whoever is pushing this in EU has to be removed before things will get better.
- hansvm 1y ago
  Luckily France is part of the EU. They seem to have better removal tools than the rest of us.
jeroenhd 1y ago
By design, this app isn't mandatory. There should be an alternative way to do age verification. If you can't access a service because you can't run the app, the service fucked up. Furthermore, there's nothing stopping the governments implementing these standards from permitting GrapheneOS' signature. It's one of the ROMs that actually has a reliable signature so unlike random images from XDA there's a case for it to be permitted. Google's integrity check isn't just a binary check, it's a combination of a hash and a pre-defined list of suggested acceptable hashes.
- progval 1y ago
  > By design, this app isn't mandatory. There should be an alternative way to do age verification. If you can't access a service because you can't run the app, the service fucked up. So you complain to the service, they either ignore you or tell you to use the app, and then what? They are not breaking any law as far as I can tell. And even if it was, class actions in Europe are close to inexistent, and it's not worth it for any one consumer to take the multinational running the service to court. > there's nothing stopping the governments implementing these standards from permitting GrapheneOS' signature incompetence and/or not caring
- Aachen 1y ago
  Alternatives to legal identification requirements being available isn't my experience. How do you even imagine that? Going to a local post office to show an ID anytime you want to open pornhub and your i_am_adult=token cookie has expired?
  - anticensor 1y ago
    Using the e-government log in to said adult website?
    - Aachen 1y ago
      What e-government website? If there were one, I should hope they'd be using it instead of GDPR-flouting third parties that I've seen so far If you mean something like DigiD, that's only for government websites themselves. A lot of water will need to flow past parliament before they open that one up to pornhub
pabs3 1y ago
There are lots of them, you might want to complain to your competition authority. https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...

superkuh 1y ago

The only winning move is not to play the game. One has to have a phone these days but you don't have to do your computing on it (during personal time). Use a real computer instead.

latentsea 1y ago
Great advice that I just can't take.
IlikeKitties 1y ago
> I would like to pay for goods and services online. > Very well sir, which digital payment service would you like to use? > It doesn't matter they all force me to use my phone.
- ranyume 1y ago
  It's pretty crazy. You can be authenticated on a website, and the website still asks you to use your phone to.. validate what you're doing on the pc.
Aachen 1y ago
This software doesn't run on a real computer. The point of the submission is that it only runs on a DRM device from two entrenched vendors
- superkuh 1y ago
  Why would you want to run a locked down a crippled version of linux when you can run the real thing? And if there really are services that only are accessible through iphone/android applications, you probably should not support them.
  - Aachen 1y ago
    Why indeed! I would agree, but sadly that's not supported by this government verification software. If you want to use the internet, it sounds like this will become mandatory for many websites hosted in the EU that have content that needs to be locked away from kids under 13 or so. If you think we should oppose that, I'm right by your side

ajsnigrutin 1y ago

It's not a tech issue, it's a regulation issue. EU wants to push more control on the internet, today it's "think of the children" but when the infrastructure is rolled out, it'll be "real name verifiction" on social media, chat control, etc. Whoever is pushing this in EU has to be removed before things will get better.

hansvm 1y ago
Luckily France is part of the EU. They seem to have better removal tools than the rest of us.

jeroenhd 1y ago

By design, this app isn't mandatory. There should be an alternative way to do age verification. If you can't access a service because you can't run the app, the service fucked up. Furthermore, there's nothing stopping the governments implementing these standards from permitting GrapheneOS' signature. It's one of the ROMs that actually has a reliable signature so unlike random images from XDA there's a case for it to be permitted. Google's integrity check isn't just a binary check, it's a combination of a hash and a pre-defined list of suggested acceptable hashes.

progval 1y ago
> By design, this app isn't mandatory. There should be an alternative way to do age verification. If you can't access a service because you can't run the app, the service fucked up. So you complain to the service, they either ignore you or tell you to use the app, and then what? They are not breaking any law as far as I can tell. And even if it was, class actions in Europe are close to inexistent, and it's not worth it for any one consumer to take the multinational running the service to court. > there's nothing stopping the governments implementing these standards from permitting GrapheneOS' signature incompetence and/or not caring
Aachen 1y ago
Alternatives to legal identification requirements being available isn't my experience. How do you even imagine that? Going to a local post office to show an ID anytime you want to open pornhub and your i_am_adult=token cookie has expired?
- anticensor 1y ago
  Using the e-government log in to said adult website?
  - Aachen 1y ago
    What e-government website? If there were one, I should hope they'd be using it instead of GDPR-flouting third parties that I've seen so far If you mean something like DigiD, that's only for government websites themselves. A lot of water will need to flow past parliament before they open that one up to pornhub

pabs3 1y ago

There are lots of them, you might want to complain to your competition authority. https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-guide#apps-banning-grapheneos https://grapheneos.org/articles/attestation-compatibility-gu...