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In India, you can even get a degree in the field: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Ayurveda,_Medicine_and_Surgery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_

In India, you can even get a degree in the field: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Ayurveda,_Medicine_and_Surgery http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bachelor_of_Ayurveda,_Medicine_... It's pretty crazy that this sort of crap still gets attention in this day and age.

pullo 14y ago
Having known people who benefitted from ayurvedic treatment, I tell you that the regimen (medication and food restrictions- you are not assigned one without the other) is one of the toughest I have seen. the people who successfully get through it, swear by ayurvedic medicine. I have been to some of the facilities and met the doctors and they are above average ( by Indian standards). This is why, this mode of treatment in still popular among many in india. needless to say many treatment centers are based in cities and visited by what you might call a more educated and worldly crowd (I mean no offense here, but could not find a better way to say it :) I am willing to forgo my personal observation as an one off, but please qualify your comment.
- w1ntermute 14y ago
  > Having known people who benefitted from ayurvedic treatment Anecdotal evidence. > needless to say many treatment centers are based in cities and visited by what you might call a more educated and worldly crowd Appeal to authority. How about some actual scientific evidence? I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I can find on Wikipedia[0], the benefits of Ayurvedic medicne were inconclusive at best. As someone who has spent time in medical research, I will admit my opinion is skewed. I've worked with plenty of researchers from India, and none of them have given any credence to Ayurvedic medicine. These are people who (like any researchers) will use any and all means available to them to come up with scientifically viable theories that they can use to get grants. If Ayurveda were as great as you claim it is, then they would have definitely given it a shot. 0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurvedic_medicine#Scientific_appraisal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurvedic_medicine#Scientific_a...
  - pullo 14y ago
    is it anecdotal even if it is one of your best friends? I am not so sure. ok, here is some more information. A study comparing ayurveda with allopathic treatment for Rheumatoid Arthritis. http://journals.lww.com/jclinrheum/Abstract/2011/06000/Double_Blind,_Randomized,_Controlled,_Pilot_Study.5.aspx http://journals.lww.com/jclinrheum/Abstract/2011/06000/Doubl... "Conclusions: In this first-ever, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled pilot study comparing Ayurveda, MTX, and their combination, all 3 treatments were approximately equivalent in efficacy, within the limits of a pilot study. Adverse events were numerically fewer in the Ayurveda-only group" Ayurveda is recognized by nih as alternative and complimentary medicine. http://nccam.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm http://nccam.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm I think at some level, you need to believe not all doctors wear white coats. modern medicine is a few hundered years old , but people have been getting sick and have been treated since the dawn of time. When a country sets up regulatory agencies ( http://www.ccimindia.org http://www.ccimindia.org ) , qualifies practitioners and monitors the practice ( albeit poorly) , to dismiss the structure based on wikipedia articles is incorrect to say the least. if only conclusive evidence , agreed upon by everyone is acceptable we should have stopped taking aspirin a long time ago:) http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/950817/aspirin.shtml http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/950817/aspirin.shtml
    - lotsofpulp 14y ago
      Definition of anecdota: https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aanecdotal&sugexp=chrome,mod=13&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aanecdotal&sugex... "Best friend" has nothing to do with quality of data, in fact it might taint it. Also, causation must still be established, i.e. uncovering the mechanics of the treatment. Also, your last few sentences are difficult to understand.
  - statictype 14y ago
    I like how you start by pointing out logical fallacies in someone's argument and then go on to say things like "I'm sure they would have definitely given it a shot if it's as great as you claimed". Like I said elsewhere here, I know several medical doctors (well qualified ones as well) who recommend ayurvedic treatments in certain situations (not the commercialized medicines you get in shops, but more basic 'take these things and grind them and eat it before lunch' medicines and they work reasonably well. I think I'll take my anecdotal evidence over your link to a Wikipedia article stating inconclusive evidence.
njx 14y ago
You think ayurveda is crap? What makes you think that?

pullo 14y ago

Having known people who benefitted from ayurvedic treatment, I tell you that the regimen (medication and food restrictions- you are not assigned one without the other) is one of the toughest I have seen. the people who successfully get through it, swear by ayurvedic medicine. I have been to some of the facilities and met the doctors and they are above average ( by Indian standards). This is why, this mode of treatment in still popular among many in india. needless to say many treatment centers are based in cities and visited by what you might call a more educated and worldly crowd (I mean no offense here, but could not find a better way to say it :) I am willing to forgo my personal observation as an one off, but please qualify your comment.

w1ntermute 14y ago
> Having known people who benefitted from ayurvedic treatment Anecdotal evidence. > needless to say many treatment centers are based in cities and visited by what you might call a more educated and worldly crowd Appeal to authority. How about some actual scientific evidence? I'm no expert on the matter, but from what I can find on Wikipedia[0], the benefits of Ayurvedic medicne were inconclusive at best. As someone who has spent time in medical research, I will admit my opinion is skewed. I've worked with plenty of researchers from India, and none of them have given any credence to Ayurvedic medicine. These are people who (like any researchers) will use any and all means available to them to come up with scientifically viable theories that they can use to get grants. If Ayurveda were as great as you claim it is, then they would have definitely given it a shot. 0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurvedic_medicine#Scientific_appraisal http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayurvedic_medicine#Scientific_a...
- pullo 14y ago
  is it anecdotal even if it is one of your best friends? I am not so sure. ok, here is some more information. A study comparing ayurveda with allopathic treatment for Rheumatoid Arthritis. http://journals.lww.com/jclinrheum/Abstract/2011/06000/Double_Blind,_Randomized,_Controlled,_Pilot_Study.5.aspx http://journals.lww.com/jclinrheum/Abstract/2011/06000/Doubl... "Conclusions: In this first-ever, double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled pilot study comparing Ayurveda, MTX, and their combination, all 3 treatments were approximately equivalent in efficacy, within the limits of a pilot study. Adverse events were numerically fewer in the Ayurveda-only group" Ayurveda is recognized by nih as alternative and complimentary medicine. http://nccam.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm http://nccam.nih.gov/health/ayurveda/introduction.htm I think at some level, you need to believe not all doctors wear white coats. modern medicine is a few hundered years old , but people have been getting sick and have been treated since the dawn of time. When a country sets up regulatory agencies ( http://www.ccimindia.org http://www.ccimindia.org ) , qualifies practitioners and monitors the practice ( albeit poorly) , to dismiss the structure based on wikipedia articles is incorrect to say the least. if only conclusive evidence , agreed upon by everyone is acceptable we should have stopped taking aspirin a long time ago:) http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/950817/aspirin.shtml http://chronicle.uchicago.edu/950817/aspirin.shtml
  - lotsofpulp 14y ago
    Definition of anecdota: https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aanecdotal&sugexp=chrome,mod=13&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 https://www.google.com/search?q=define%3Aanecdotal&sugex... "Best friend" has nothing to do with quality of data, in fact it might taint it. Also, causation must still be established, i.e. uncovering the mechanics of the treatment. Also, your last few sentences are difficult to understand.
- statictype 14y ago
  I like how you start by pointing out logical fallacies in someone's argument and then go on to say things like "I'm sure they would have definitely given it a shot if it's as great as you claimed". Like I said elsewhere here, I know several medical doctors (well qualified ones as well) who recommend ayurvedic treatments in certain situations (not the commercialized medicines you get in shops, but more basic 'take these things and grind them and eat it before lunch' medicines and they work reasonably well. I think I'll take my anecdotal evidence over your link to a Wikipedia article stating inconclusive evidence.

njx 14y ago

You think ayurveda is crap? What makes you think that?