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This isn't true, this is the sort of toxic "if I have nothing to hide then why value privacy" ideology that got us into this privacy nightmare. Every single pe

This isn't true, this is the sort of toxic "if I have nothing to hide then why value privacy" ideology that got us into this privacy nightmare. Every single person has "something to hide", and that's normal. It's normal to not want your messages snooped through. It doesn't mean you're a criminal, or even computer-saavy.

rvnx 1y ago
Mhhh it is not really about “nothing to hide”, it was more that if you use niche services targeted at privacy, it puts a big target on you. Like the Casio watches, travelling to Syria, using Tor, Protonmail, etc… When it is better in reality to have a regular watch, a Gmail with encrypted .zip files or whatever, etc. It does not mean you are a criminal if you have that Casio watch, but if you have this, plus encrypted emails, plus travel to some countries as a tourist, you are almost certain to put yourself in trouble for nothing, while you tried to protect yourself. And if you are a criminal, you will put yourself in trouble too, also for nothing, while you tried to protect yourself. This was the basis of Xkeyscore, and all of that to say that Signal is one very good signal that the person may be interesting.
- const_cast 1y ago
  1. I don't really think this is true generally. 2. Using a secure, but niche, service is still more secure than using a service with no privacy. Sure, you can argue using Signal puts a "target" on your back. But there's nothing to target, right? Because it's not being run by Google or Meta. What are they gonna take? There's no data to leak about you. If I were a criminal, which I'm not, I'd rather rob a bank with an actual gun than with a squirt gun. Even though having an actual gun puts a bigger target on your back. Because the actual gun works - the squirt gun is just kinda... useless.
  - latentsea 1y ago
    >If I were a criminal, which I'm not, I'd rather rob a bank with an actual gun than with a squirt gun. Even though having an actual gun puts a bigger target on your back. Because the actual gun works - the squirt gun is just kinda... useless Actually, there was a case... I can't recall but it might have been in Argentina, where the robbers did explicitly use fake guns when robbing the banks because doing so still actually worked for the purposes of the robbery, and it also reduced their legal liability.
- bigprof 1y ago
  What flag does using a Casio watch raise? I have a G Shock that i love though i don't wear it as often nowadays.
  - Mogzol 1y ago
    The F-91W has long been associated with terrorism for it's use in improvised time-bombs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism
    - spookie 1y ago
      Oh so now we target people for buying inexpensive things? "Oh no! This guy doesn't have a $500 watch".
      - Mogzol 1y ago
        Yeah, I think it's pretty stupid, especially considering the F91-W is one of the most common and best selling watches in the world.
  - 1986 1y ago
    It could put you in Guantanamo Bay: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrori...

rvnx 1y ago

Mhhh it is not really about “nothing to hide”, it was more that if you use niche services targeted at privacy, it puts a big target on you. Like the Casio watches, travelling to Syria, using Tor, Protonmail, etc… When it is better in reality to have a regular watch, a Gmail with encrypted .zip files or whatever, etc. It does not mean you are a criminal if you have that Casio watch, but if you have this, plus encrypted emails, plus travel to some countries as a tourist, you are almost certain to put yourself in trouble for nothing, while you tried to protect yourself. And if you are a criminal, you will put yourself in trouble too, also for nothing, while you tried to protect yourself. This was the basis of Xkeyscore, and all of that to say that Signal is one very good signal that the person may be interesting.

const_cast 1y ago
1. I don't really think this is true generally. 2. Using a secure, but niche, service is still more secure than using a service with no privacy. Sure, you can argue using Signal puts a "target" on your back. But there's nothing to target, right? Because it's not being run by Google or Meta. What are they gonna take? There's no data to leak about you. If I were a criminal, which I'm not, I'd rather rob a bank with an actual gun than with a squirt gun. Even though having an actual gun puts a bigger target on your back. Because the actual gun works - the squirt gun is just kinda... useless.
- latentsea 1y ago
  >If I were a criminal, which I'm not, I'd rather rob a bank with an actual gun than with a squirt gun. Even though having an actual gun puts a bigger target on your back. Because the actual gun works - the squirt gun is just kinda... useless Actually, there was a case... I can't recall but it might have been in Argentina, where the robbers did explicitly use fake guns when robbing the banks because doing so still actually worked for the purposes of the robbery, and it also reduced their legal liability.
bigprof 1y ago
What flag does using a Casio watch raise? I have a G Shock that i love though i don't wear it as often nowadays.
- Mogzol 1y ago
  The F-91W has long been associated with terrorism for it's use in improvised time-bombs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism
  - spookie 1y ago
    Oh so now we target people for buying inexpensive things? "Oh no! This guy doesn't have a $500 watch".
    - Mogzol 1y ago
      Yeah, I think it's pretty stupid, especially considering the F91-W is one of the most common and best selling watches in the world.
- 1986 1y ago
  It could put you in Guantanamo Bay: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrorism https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casio_F-91W#Usage_in_terrori...