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High calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level effects. Is there any evidence that modern low calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level e

High calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level effects. Is there any evidence that modern low calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level effects, and what are they compared to high calorie sweeteners?

cjbgkagh 1y ago
Anecdotally I get gut dybiosis (microbiome imbalance) that notably only occurs when using artificial sweeteners and stops when I stop taking it, I’ve talked to many others who have noticed the same thing. Gut dysbiosis can cause chronic systemic inflammation which is rather bad for the body, not sure if it’s worse than the sugar it replaces, but it shouldn’t be assumed that the problem is solved by low calories. I think it’s important to limit both, preferably to near zero.
- hinkley 1y ago
  Sugar alcohols are especially bad for this. I fried my GI one year and it was largely down to developing a gum chewing habit at a time when sugar alcohols were in almost all gum brands. You can’t process them, but bad gut bacteria can.
  - MengerSponge 1y ago
    It sucks so much, because xylitol appears to be very good for your teeth but bad for your heart: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol-may-affect-cardiovascular-health https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol...
lamp_book 1y ago
I wonder if any Romans evidence had any evidence of population-level delirium from lead consumption...
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior which is probably hard to distinguish from decadence. Decadence and hedonism were constantly being complained about long before the eventual fall.
  - evertedsphere 1y ago
    > Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior why do you think so
    - cjbgkagh 1y ago
      [dead]
    - throawaywpg 1y ago
      poor decision making
  - hinkley 1y ago
    Violence in the US declined as children born around and after leaded gas was banned reached the average age of first offense. It’s quite a line.
    - cjbgkagh 1y ago
      You're going to have to explain your point to me, or perhaps you misunderstood my own. My point is that while it may have been unclear to the Romans as to the cause of changes in behavior they did notice a change and did complain about it a lot. I accept the premise that lead poisoning leads to lower intelligence.
      - hinkley 1y ago
        What we know now is that lead’s effects are more pronounced as developmental issues. A little lead exposure as a child can lead to a violent temper. So once children were not born into a low grade cloud of lead contamination, they were set up for fewer mood disturbances as teenagers and young adults. Feeling like violence is your best avenue for conflict resolution leads to crime. So the change wasn’t over night, it was over 20 years. I expect that whatever effect was going on in Rome if there was one, which seems to be up for debate, counted on pregnant women exposed to lead via alcohol and acidic foods, neither of which young children would normally encounter. Meanwhile lead dust from exhaust got -everywhere-, and paint a lot of places.

cjbgkagh 1y ago

Anecdotally I get gut dybiosis (microbiome imbalance) that notably only occurs when using artificial sweeteners and stops when I stop taking it, I’ve talked to many others who have noticed the same thing. Gut dysbiosis can cause chronic systemic inflammation which is rather bad for the body, not sure if it’s worse than the sugar it replaces, but it shouldn’t be assumed that the problem is solved by low calories. I think it’s important to limit both, preferably to near zero.

hinkley 1y ago
Sugar alcohols are especially bad for this. I fried my GI one year and it was largely down to developing a gum chewing habit at a time when sugar alcohols were in almost all gum brands. You can’t process them, but bad gut bacteria can.
- MengerSponge 1y ago
  It sucks so much, because xylitol appears to be very good for your teeth but bad for your heart: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol-may-affect-cardiovascular-health https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol...

lamp_book 1y ago

I wonder if any Romans evidence had any evidence of population-level delirium from lead consumption...

cjbgkagh 1y ago
Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior which is probably hard to distinguish from decadence. Decadence and hedonism were constantly being complained about long before the eventual fall.
- evertedsphere 1y ago
  > Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior why do you think so
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    [dead]
  - throawaywpg 1y ago
    poor decision making
- hinkley 1y ago
  Violence in the US declined as children born around and after leaded gas was banned reached the average age of first offense. It’s quite a line.
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    You're going to have to explain your point to me, or perhaps you misunderstood my own. My point is that while it may have been unclear to the Romans as to the cause of changes in behavior they did notice a change and did complain about it a lot. I accept the premise that lead poisoning leads to lower intelligence.
    - hinkley 1y ago
      What we know now is that lead’s effects are more pronounced as developmental issues. A little lead exposure as a child can lead to a violent temper. So once children were not born into a low grade cloud of lead contamination, they were set up for fewer mood disturbances as teenagers and young adults. Feeling like violence is your best avenue for conflict resolution leads to crime. So the change wasn’t over night, it was over 20 years. I expect that whatever effect was going on in Rome if there was one, which seems to be up for debate, counted on pregnant women exposed to lead via alcohol and acidic foods, neither of which young children would normally encounter. Meanwhile lead dust from exhaust got -everywhere-, and paint a lot of places.