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Plus literally “flavoring” their wine on purpose with lead acetate.

by didgeoridoo 1y ago

MengerSponge 1y ago
And that was the first and last time that no-calorie sweeteners had deleterious population-level effects
- lotsofpulp 1y ago
  High calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level effects. Is there any evidence that modern low calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level effects, and what are they compared to high calorie sweeteners?
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    Anecdotally I get gut dybiosis (microbiome imbalance) that notably only occurs when using artificial sweeteners and stops when I stop taking it, I’ve talked to many others who have noticed the same thing. Gut dysbiosis can cause chronic systemic inflammation which is rather bad for the body, not sure if it’s worse than the sugar it replaces, but it shouldn’t be assumed that the problem is solved by low calories. I think it’s important to limit both, preferably to near zero.
    - hinkley 1y ago
      Sugar alcohols are especially bad for this. I fried my GI one year and it was largely down to developing a gum chewing habit at a time when sugar alcohols were in almost all gum brands. You can’t process them, but bad gut bacteria can.
      - MengerSponge 1y ago
        It sucks so much, because xylitol appears to be very good for your teeth but bad for your heart: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol-may-affect-cardiovascular-health https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol...
  - lamp_book 1y ago
    I wonder if any Romans evidence had any evidence of population-level delirium from lead consumption...
    - cjbgkagh 1y ago
      Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior which is probably hard to distinguish from decadence. Decadence and hedonism were constantly being complained about long before the eventual fall.
      - evertedsphere 1y ago
        > Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior why do you think so
        cjbgkagh 1y ago
        [dead]
        throawaywpg 1y ago
        poor decision making
      - hinkley 1y ago
        Violence in the US declined as children born around and after leaded gas was banned reached the average age of first offense. It’s quite a line.
        cjbgkagh 1y ago
        You're going to have to explain your point to me, or perhaps you misunderstood my own. My point is that while it may have been unclear to the Romans as to the cause of changes in behavior they did notice a change and did complain about it a lot. I accept the premise that lead poisoning leads to lower intelligence.
        1y ago

Plus literally “flavoring” their wine on purpose with lead acetate.

MengerSponge 1y ago

And that was the first and last time that no-calorie sweeteners had deleterious population-level effects

lotsofpulp 1y ago
High calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level effects. Is there any evidence that modern low calorie sweeteners have deleterious population-level effects, and what are they compared to high calorie sweeteners?
- cjbgkagh 1y ago
  Anecdotally I get gut dybiosis (microbiome imbalance) that notably only occurs when using artificial sweeteners and stops when I stop taking it, I’ve talked to many others who have noticed the same thing. Gut dysbiosis can cause chronic systemic inflammation which is rather bad for the body, not sure if it’s worse than the sugar it replaces, but it shouldn’t be assumed that the problem is solved by low calories. I think it’s important to limit both, preferably to near zero.
  - hinkley 1y ago
    Sugar alcohols are especially bad for this. I fried my GI one year and it was largely down to developing a gum chewing habit at a time when sugar alcohols were in almost all gum brands. You can’t process them, but bad gut bacteria can.
    - MengerSponge 1y ago
      It sucks so much, because xylitol appears to be very good for your teeth but bad for your heart: https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol-may-affect-cardiovascular-health https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/xylitol...
- lamp_book 1y ago
  I wonder if any Romans evidence had any evidence of population-level delirium from lead consumption...
  - cjbgkagh 1y ago
    Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior which is probably hard to distinguish from decadence. Decadence and hedonism were constantly being complained about long before the eventual fall.
    - evertedsphere 1y ago
      > Lower intelligence would likely surface as hedonistic behavior why do you think so
      - cjbgkagh 1y ago
        [dead]
      - throawaywpg 1y ago
        poor decision making
    - hinkley 1y ago
      Violence in the US declined as children born around and after leaded gas was banned reached the average age of first offense. It’s quite a line.
      - cjbgkagh 1y ago
        You're going to have to explain your point to me, or perhaps you misunderstood my own. My point is that while it may have been unclear to the Romans as to the cause of changes in behavior they did notice a change and did complain about it a lot. I accept the premise that lead poisoning leads to lower intelligence.
        1y ago