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I would say that using a high-pollution method of cooking when cleaner options are easily available, simply because it's more enjoyable, is aggressive and uncal

I would say that using a high-pollution method of cooking when cleaner options are easily available, simply because it's more enjoyable, is aggressive and uncalled for. "Yes, this is bad for kids with asthma who have the misfortune of living in my neighborhood, but it's great for quesadillas! So you have to look at both sides."

kelipso 1y ago
Gas cooking definitely doesn’t affect anyone outside the house lol, much less neighborhood.
- AIPedant 1y ago
  Gas extraction and transmission certainly affects people outside the house, so anything to reduce gas consumption is a win. Also, gas burning absolutely affects the entire neighborhood: https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in-our-buildings-harms-the-health-of-new-yorkers/ https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in... I could not find the link but the problem is especially acute for people who live near restaurants in NYC. And that comment about how it's cooking food that's the problem, not the fuel, is 100% wrong: https://archive.is/A23eV https://archive.is/A23eV This comment and the other reply are just jaw-droppingly naive and ignorant. The indoor air quality while using a gas stove jumps to wildly unhealthy levels. But those pollutants do not just disappear! Much of it is deposited on indoor walls or residents' lungs, but much of it also leaks out of the building. Yes it is true that one teeny widdle stove won't hurt anyone except yourself, but that's why this is a tragedy of the commons that requires government regulation.
  - justlikereddit 1y ago
    >the problem is especially acute for people who live near restaurants in NYC. A simile to this is saying electric bikes are dangerous and should be banned because they are motorized transports, and as my neighbor died in a frontal collision between his car and 18 wheeler it's highly irresponsible to let a teenager ride on e-bikes. Magnitude soup.
SilverElfin 1y ago
The pollution from gas stoves is far less from the pollution all cooking generates (from the food itself). It’s really not material at all. And if you have a hood fan there’s really no difference.
nullc 1y ago
Cooking itself produces considerable pollution. If you have adequate ventilation for that the additional contribution from gas is absolutely insignificant.
- cute_boi 1y ago
  I’ve lived in many apartments, and the vents just scatter air randomly i.e. they don't suck air and vent it outside. So getting proper ventilation isn’t really feasible unless you’re willing to open the window every time.
  - nullc 1y ago
    Right, but gas vs not gas remains irrelevant. You're poisoning yourself w/ cooking in those apartments. The only fix is proper ventilation. Which is unfortunate, because as you note many apartments and homes are not built for it... even in new construction. Which might be a useful action point for regulatory intervention, rather than something which is much more performative than useful.
- AIPedant 1y ago
  That is not true: https://archive.is/A23eV https://archive.is/A23eV https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 Simply running a gas burner generates about twice as much PM2.5 emissions as pan-frying a chicken breast on an induction stove. And of course gas generates pollution when you're boiling or steaming things, quickly reheating, or anything that doesn't involve burning / Malliard reactions / etc. Using gas means you are at the very least doubling the amount of pollution, and in most cases it's much worse than that. On top of all that, ventilation does nothing for the environmental impact: https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in-our-buildings-harms-the-health-of-new-yorkers/ https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in...
  - nullc 1y ago
    > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 The cited study performed no measurement of gas cooking. > On top of all that, ventilation does nothing for the environmental impact: Gas used for cooking is not a meaningful contributor to our overall gas usage.

kelipso 1y ago

Gas cooking definitely doesn’t affect anyone outside the house lol, much less neighborhood.

AIPedant 1y ago
Gas extraction and transmission certainly affects people outside the house, so anything to reduce gas consumption is a win. Also, gas burning absolutely affects the entire neighborhood: https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in-our-buildings-harms-the-health-of-new-yorkers/ https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in... I could not find the link but the problem is especially acute for people who live near restaurants in NYC. And that comment about how it's cooking food that's the problem, not the fuel, is 100% wrong: https://archive.is/A23eV https://archive.is/A23eV This comment and the other reply are just jaw-droppingly naive and ignorant. The indoor air quality while using a gas stove jumps to wildly unhealthy levels. But those pollutants do not just disappear! Much of it is deposited on indoor walls or residents' lungs, but much of it also leaks out of the building. Yes it is true that one teeny widdle stove won't hurt anyone except yourself, but that's why this is a tragedy of the commons that requires government regulation.
- justlikereddit 1y ago
  >the problem is especially acute for people who live near restaurants in NYC. A simile to this is saying electric bikes are dangerous and should be banned because they are motorized transports, and as my neighbor died in a frontal collision between his car and 18 wheeler it's highly irresponsible to let a teenager ride on e-bikes. Magnitude soup.

SilverElfin 1y ago

The pollution from gas stoves is far less from the pollution all cooking generates (from the food itself). It’s really not material at all. And if you have a hood fan there’s really no difference.

nullc 1y ago

Cooking itself produces considerable pollution. If you have adequate ventilation for that the additional contribution from gas is absolutely insignificant.

cute_boi 1y ago
I’ve lived in many apartments, and the vents just scatter air randomly i.e. they don't suck air and vent it outside. So getting proper ventilation isn’t really feasible unless you’re willing to open the window every time.
- nullc 1y ago
  Right, but gas vs not gas remains irrelevant. You're poisoning yourself w/ cooking in those apartments. The only fix is proper ventilation. Which is unfortunate, because as you note many apartments and homes are not built for it... even in new construction. Which might be a useful action point for regulatory intervention, rather than something which is much more performative than useful.
AIPedant 1y ago
That is not true: https://archive.is/A23eV https://archive.is/A23eV https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 Simply running a gas burner generates about twice as much PM2.5 emissions as pan-frying a chicken breast on an induction stove. And of course gas generates pollution when you're boiling or steaming things, quickly reheating, or anything that doesn't involve burning / Malliard reactions / etc. Using gas means you are at the very least doubling the amount of pollution, and in most cases it's much worse than that. On top of all that, ventilation does nothing for the environmental impact: https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in-our-buildings-harms-the-health-of-new-yorkers/ https://concernedhealthny.org/2022/10/burning-fossil-fuel-in...
- nullc 1y ago
  > https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1155/2024/6355613 The cited study performed no measurement of gas cooking. > On top of all that, ventilation does nothing for the environmental impact: Gas used for cooking is not a meaningful contributor to our overall gas usage.