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Their frustration with plagiarism, inaccuracy, and the "tragedy of the commons" effect on web content is valid, but that is human behavior - they even cite an e

Their frustration with plagiarism, inaccuracy, and the "tragedy of the commons" effect on web content is valid, but that is human behavior - they even cite an example. But "wisdom", if we are going to aspire to that, would look for the ways these tools can be used to better our condition as creators and thinkers, rather than have our opinion be led by a reactive moral narrative not grounded in pragmatism or reality.

maldonad0 1y ago
Excessive pragmatism leads to utilitarianism which is anti-human.
- aeon_ai 1y ago
  Excessive anything is counterproductive, by definition of being “excessive.” Debate where the line is, if you think it’s worthwhile, but imagine it’s much further than “all AI bad, always.”
timnetworks 1y ago
oh okay so it's fine for a multinational conglomerate to steal flagrantly and profit at the various stages of theft they themselves enable.
- aeon_ai 1y ago
  I will engage in good faith. I do not believe it's theft. I think that 'stealing' is a loaded term that is often used by propagandists who want to drive outrage and anti-AI sentiment (and is readily consumed, as all other propaganda, by people looking to be 'outraged' at yet another example of the `other side` being bad.) What are your thoughts on Aaron Swartz? Do you think he was justifiably prosecuted? We must do mental gymnastics to justify one and not the other. We either value the freedom of information to educate and inspire, or we make ourselves slave to an ossified culture and technological progress that is rented to us by large companies. I propose that we find ourselves conflicted with reconciling the complete and utter myth of Intellectual Property to an era where the system that constructed copyright is no longer relevant. I do not relish that creatives have seen their work evaporate. I do not envy the many who lived their lives forgetting how to learn while relying on a skill that would give them "job security". But getting upset by "big corpo stealing" is not genuinely exploring the fundamental properties of information, the nature of copyright law, and the second and third order impacts of successfully twisting the copyright system to limit AI training.

maldonad0 1y ago

Excessive pragmatism leads to utilitarianism which is anti-human.

aeon_ai 1y ago
Excessive anything is counterproductive, by definition of being “excessive.” Debate where the line is, if you think it’s worthwhile, but imagine it’s much further than “all AI bad, always.”

timnetworks 1y ago

oh okay so it's fine for a multinational conglomerate to steal flagrantly and profit at the various stages of theft they themselves enable.

aeon_ai 1y ago
I will engage in good faith. I do not believe it's theft. I think that 'stealing' is a loaded term that is often used by propagandists who want to drive outrage and anti-AI sentiment (and is readily consumed, as all other propaganda, by people looking to be 'outraged' at yet another example of the `other side` being bad.) What are your thoughts on Aaron Swartz? Do you think he was justifiably prosecuted? We must do mental gymnastics to justify one and not the other. We either value the freedom of information to educate and inspire, or we make ourselves slave to an ossified culture and technological progress that is rented to us by large companies. I propose that we find ourselves conflicted with reconciling the complete and utter myth of Intellectual Property to an era where the system that constructed copyright is no longer relevant. I do not relish that creatives have seen their work evaporate. I do not envy the many who lived their lives forgetting how to learn while relying on a skill that would give them "job security". But getting upset by "big corpo stealing" is not genuinely exploring the fundamental properties of information, the nature of copyright law, and the second and third order impacts of successfully twisting the copyright system to limit AI training.