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Not hiring morons also reduces diversity in thinking

by flappyeagle 1y ago

bryanrasmussen 1y ago
can you show that intelligent people think alike?
- Quarrel 1y ago
  This is a damn good point. I suspect you're (implied, perhaps) correct, that not hiring morons increases diversity of thought. I certainly hope so.
- flappyeagle 1y ago
  there are many more ways to be wrong than there are to be right
  - ordu 1y ago
    Intelligent people are much more creative at finding new ways to be wrong.
    - Kinrany 1y ago
      That's not the kind of diversity we want
  - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
    prove that? There are many more ways to be wrong if the question is something uninteresting like how many pennies are there in this jar, sure, but if the question is something interesting maybe there are the same amount of ways to be wrong or right, however there is, in my experience, a statistical likelihood that wrong answers converge on a few common idiotic ideas. Relatively clever people will also converge on a number of statistically likely right answers, but I think the really bright people will find right answers nobody else ever suspected and which the moderately intelligent will say "that can't be right, can it?!?", and the really stupid people will still be inside the list of common stupid answers but probably focused on the ones that even moderately intelligent people will think, "huh that has to be wrong". on edit: I probably should amend that to may find right answers that nobody else ever suspected, sometimes there may be a right answer that is the best right answer among the set of acceptable right answers, although that makes it a less interesting question I suspect.
    - slowmovintarget 1y ago
      For any question, there are nearly an infinite number of statements that either do not apply or make some error in fact, judgement, or conclusion. There are many more ways to be wrong. There will always be more answers that are beyond the context of any given question that we can lump into wrong. Wrongness even has more categories: - Fails to address premise - Contradicts premise - Fails to match goals - Cannot be understood - Makes claims not in evidence - Based on claims not in evidence - Is deliberately false - Assumes impossible outcomes - Assumes impossible preconditions - Is untimely - ... "What should we do to pass the time?" "We could go hang ourselves..." You list three categories of being "right" for an answer, but each one has narrower possibilities than the next: Pragmatic (immediate), strategic, and innovative (novel solution). Each of these categories has fewer possible formulations than the categories for being wrong.
      - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
        >For any question, there are nearly an infinite number of statements that either do not apply or make some error in fact, judgement, or conclusion. Q: should one vote for Trump A: No, because it will distract from his duties to distribute toys to good children once a year. Is that a wrong answer or a right answer, assuming that one agrees on should not vote for Trump. At any rate let us put it in the set of wrong answers, is it a wrong answer that will ever actually be given in seriousness to the question? Sure it is a potentially wrong answer to the question, as is "2 + 2 equals 5" but while potentially wrong is it ever going to be wrong in actuality. The set of potential wrong answers to any question is infinite, the set of actual answers probably are not infinite, and as I noted from my experience seems to actually converge on a normative set of wrong / stupid answers. > each one has narrower possibilities than the next: Pragmatic (immediate), strategic, and innovative (novel solution). given your use of potential answers that are wrong to show how that set is much bigger I would think you would see that the innovative is probably bigger than immediate (depending on constraints of problem) and also unknowable. >"What should we do to pass the time?" shows a question >"We could go hang ourselves..." shows not a serious attempt to answer the question, in my experience, but a refusal to consider the question important enough to answer.
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- Kinrany 1y ago
  "All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." Not evidence but a good reference to this expectation.
  - bdangubic 1y ago
    that sentence is silly as saying all fed families are the same, all starving of hunger are starving in their own way
    - Kinrany 1y ago
      How so? Here's another version of the idea. All healthy k8s clusters are within the same healthy range, but there are many dimensions on which a cluster can be not healthy.
      - bdangubic 1y ago
        so you are setting up a baseline/norm “xyz is in healthy range” and then are expecting anomaly to be also to be in some same dimension as well?
  - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
    I'm not sure which you are equating happiness with here, is it intelligence or stupidity? At any rate many folk sayings around the world claim that only the stupid are truly happy.
    - Kinrany 1y ago
      Intelligence.
bdangubic 1y ago
you obviously never worked there to write, the amount of morons surpasses like random DMV office in a random state :)

Not hiring morons also reduces diversity in thinking

bryanrasmussen 1y ago

can you show that intelligent people think alike?

Quarrel 1y ago
This is a damn good point. I suspect you're (implied, perhaps) correct, that not hiring morons increases diversity of thought. I certainly hope so.
flappyeagle 1y ago
there are many more ways to be wrong than there are to be right
- ordu 1y ago
  Intelligent people are much more creative at finding new ways to be wrong.
  - Kinrany 1y ago
    That's not the kind of diversity we want
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  prove that? There are many more ways to be wrong if the question is something uninteresting like how many pennies are there in this jar, sure, but if the question is something interesting maybe there are the same amount of ways to be wrong or right, however there is, in my experience, a statistical likelihood that wrong answers converge on a few common idiotic ideas. Relatively clever people will also converge on a number of statistically likely right answers, but I think the really bright people will find right answers nobody else ever suspected and which the moderately intelligent will say "that can't be right, can it?!?", and the really stupid people will still be inside the list of common stupid answers but probably focused on the ones that even moderately intelligent people will think, "huh that has to be wrong". on edit: I probably should amend that to may find right answers that nobody else ever suspected, sometimes there may be a right answer that is the best right answer among the set of acceptable right answers, although that makes it a less interesting question I suspect.
  - slowmovintarget 1y ago
    For any question, there are nearly an infinite number of statements that either do not apply or make some error in fact, judgement, or conclusion. There are many more ways to be wrong. There will always be more answers that are beyond the context of any given question that we can lump into wrong. Wrongness even has more categories: - Fails to address premise - Contradicts premise - Fails to match goals - Cannot be understood - Makes claims not in evidence - Based on claims not in evidence - Is deliberately false - Assumes impossible outcomes - Assumes impossible preconditions - Is untimely - ... "What should we do to pass the time?" "We could go hang ourselves..." You list three categories of being "right" for an answer, but each one has narrower possibilities than the next: Pragmatic (immediate), strategic, and innovative (novel solution). Each of these categories has fewer possible formulations than the categories for being wrong.
    - bryanrasmussen 1y ago
      >For any question, there are nearly an infinite number of statements that either do not apply or make some error in fact, judgement, or conclusion. Q: should one vote for Trump A: No, because it will distract from his duties to distribute toys to good children once a year. Is that a wrong answer or a right answer, assuming that one agrees on should not vote for Trump. At any rate let us put it in the set of wrong answers, is it a wrong answer that will ever actually be given in seriousness to the question? Sure it is a potentially wrong answer to the question, as is "2 + 2 equals 5" but while potentially wrong is it ever going to be wrong in actuality. The set of potential wrong answers to any question is infinite, the set of actual answers probably are not infinite, and as I noted from my experience seems to actually converge on a normative set of wrong / stupid answers. > each one has narrower possibilities than the next: Pragmatic (immediate), strategic, and innovative (novel solution). given your use of potential answers that are wrong to show how that set is much bigger I would think you would see that the innovative is probably bigger than immediate (depending on constraints of problem) and also unknowable. >"What should we do to pass the time?" shows a question >"We could go hang ourselves..." shows not a serious attempt to answer the question, in my experience, but a refusal to consider the question important enough to answer.
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Kinrany 1y ago
"All happy families are alike; each unhappy family is unhappy in its own way." Not evidence but a good reference to this expectation.
- bdangubic 1y ago
  that sentence is silly as saying all fed families are the same, all starving of hunger are starving in their own way
  - Kinrany 1y ago
    How so? Here's another version of the idea. All healthy k8s clusters are within the same healthy range, but there are many dimensions on which a cluster can be not healthy.
    - bdangubic 1y ago
      so you are setting up a baseline/norm “xyz is in healthy range” and then are expecting anomaly to be also to be in some same dimension as well?
- bryanrasmussen 1y ago
  I'm not sure which you are equating happiness with here, is it intelligence or stupidity? At any rate many folk sayings around the world claim that only the stupid are truly happy.
  - Kinrany 1y ago
    Intelligence.

bdangubic 1y ago

you obviously never worked there to write, the amount of morons surpasses like random DMV office in a random state :)