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Very informative, thank you. I was about to buy one of their products but this made me pause. What you think would be the alternative in Europe ?

pentamassiv 1y ago
Unfortunately I don't know about a good alternative from Europe. I'd probably get a Framework if my device stops working. They seem to work hard at upstreaming things and use Linux standards. They also connected with the GNOME foundation, so there might be some collaboration in the future
mariusor 1y ago
Basically the same things happened to my tuxedo also. With the addition of having to change batteries once a year, because it would drop to half it's factory charge, which wasn't really sufficient. I also gave up on them when they wanted so much money for a screen change (which died after about 3-4 years). I've replaced it with the new framework 13 inch, which so far works well, but I've only had it for 4-5 months. ( well, but not perfect, because the new AMD AI CPU has issues with suspend on linux)
- ekianjo 1y ago
  at least with framework you know exactly how much the replacement parts will cost ahead of time.
- wyldfire 1y ago
  > issues with suspend on linux Oh? I'd seriously considered buying the 13 w/this AMD CPU and I guess I naively thought it would be ideal. What sort of problems with suspend are you seeing?
  - mariusor 1y ago
    I haven't spent time investigating if my specific setup is the problem, or an actual bug in the drivers, but after I resume from suspend, the btrfs root fs is in a read-only state. The only solution is to reboot/shutdown, but it takes a long time and there are some scary fs checks running. Luckily no lost data so far. Currently I'm just shutting down the machine every time because it the boot times are quite fast.
  - oDot 1y ago
    I have a Zephyrus G16 with a 370 and can confirm it would fail to sleep on Linux 6.12. Upgraded to 6.15 and sleep seems to work well now. I use NixOS
  - microtonal 1y ago
    I have a T14 Gen 5 AMD. No issues with suspend/resume at all. NixOS, kernel 6.12. The Ryzen AI APUs are fairly new, so it may take a few months for things to settle.
  - javier2 1y ago
    If you use Ubuntu or something similar, it literally takes years for kernel fixes to trickle down. Its quite unfortunate
- blacksmith_tb 1y ago
  That's a shame, I got a 13 w/ the previous non-AI AMD 7 7840U in April, and it's been rock-solid running Pop_OS. I wondered at the time if I should have waited for the newer CPUs...
kfl 1y ago
There is StarLab https://starlabs.systems https://starlabs.systems although they don’t make ARM laptops if that’s what you are asking for.
- abound 1y ago
  While StarLabs has shipped products before, I'd be careful with them. That StarFighter laptop was supposed to ship years ago, and I don't think any have been delivered yet. Here's a Reddit thread [1] from three years ago saying delivery would be in a few months. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/yjuahx/star_labs_starfighter_16inch_laptop_specs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/yjuahx/star_...
- dangus 1y ago
  Don’t bother with these. In my eyes the gold standard for Linux laptops is Framework or Lenovo.
  - trelane 1y ago
    To me, it's System76. Clearly Framework is not supporting Linux if there are issues with suspend.
    - dangus 1y ago
      Works on my machine. The problem with System76 is that Lenovo exists. There isn’t much of a real reason to buy a “standard laptop” like system76 over a higher volume OEM like Lenovo. With Framework you’re at least getting the extreme modularity and upgradeability as a major differentiator. But with System76 you’re essentially getting a regular laptop that you could get from any other major brand. You’ll have an easier time getting parts with Lenovo.
homebrewer 1y ago
https://entroware.com https://entroware.com from the UK gets mentioned here and there, but I think they don't do any software development at all, and only repackage OEM laptops.
lhl 1y ago
Slimbook (Spanish OEM) basically sells the same ODM designs as Tuxedo and is an option. They have a few cobranded (KDE etc) versions that contribute to the development teams. Otherwise at this point I believe the Framework laptops have pretty solid Linux support and is a good option if you're ok w/ so-so battery life.
mixmastamyk 1y ago
NovaCustom had a discussion on here recently and uses dasharo coreboot.
atoav 1y ago
I am running a tuxedo since 6 years and I am still happy with it. Had to use their support once to replace the cooling assembly because one of the fan bearings started to ger noisy after 5 years of 24/7 use, the replacement was 100 Euros for the whole copper+heatpipe+two fan assembly. The machine is still outperforming many other machines that exist today and the sceeen is one of the best I have seen (OLED). Software side was smooth sailing as well.

pentamassiv 1y ago

Unfortunately I don't know about a good alternative from Europe. I'd probably get a Framework if my device stops working. They seem to work hard at upstreaming things and use Linux standards. They also connected with the GNOME foundation, so there might be some collaboration in the future

mariusor 1y ago

Basically the same things happened to my tuxedo also. With the addition of having to change batteries once a year, because it would drop to half it's factory charge, which wasn't really sufficient. I also gave up on them when they wanted so much money for a screen change (which died after about 3-4 years). I've replaced it with the new framework 13 inch, which so far works well, but I've only had it for 4-5 months. ( well, but not perfect, because the new AMD AI CPU has issues with suspend on linux)

ekianjo 1y ago
at least with framework you know exactly how much the replacement parts will cost ahead of time.
wyldfire 1y ago
> issues with suspend on linux Oh? I'd seriously considered buying the 13 w/this AMD CPU and I guess I naively thought it would be ideal. What sort of problems with suspend are you seeing?
- mariusor 1y ago
  I haven't spent time investigating if my specific setup is the problem, or an actual bug in the drivers, but after I resume from suspend, the btrfs root fs is in a read-only state. The only solution is to reboot/shutdown, but it takes a long time and there are some scary fs checks running. Luckily no lost data so far. Currently I'm just shutting down the machine every time because it the boot times are quite fast.
- oDot 1y ago
  I have a Zephyrus G16 with a 370 and can confirm it would fail to sleep on Linux 6.12. Upgraded to 6.15 and sleep seems to work well now. I use NixOS
- microtonal 1y ago
  I have a T14 Gen 5 AMD. No issues with suspend/resume at all. NixOS, kernel 6.12. The Ryzen AI APUs are fairly new, so it may take a few months for things to settle.
- javier2 1y ago
  If you use Ubuntu or something similar, it literally takes years for kernel fixes to trickle down. Its quite unfortunate
blacksmith_tb 1y ago
That's a shame, I got a 13 w/ the previous non-AI AMD 7 7840U in April, and it's been rock-solid running Pop_OS. I wondered at the time if I should have waited for the newer CPUs...

kfl 1y ago

There is StarLab https://starlabs.systems https://starlabs.systems although they don’t make ARM laptops if that’s what you are asking for.

abound 1y ago
While StarLabs has shipped products before, I'd be careful with them. That StarFighter laptop was supposed to ship years ago, and I don't think any have been delivered yet. Here's a Reddit thread [1] from three years ago saying delivery would be in a few months. [1] https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/yjuahx/star_labs_starfighter_16inch_laptop_specs/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linuxhardware/comments/yjuahx/star_...
dangus 1y ago
Don’t bother with these. In my eyes the gold standard for Linux laptops is Framework or Lenovo.
- trelane 1y ago
  To me, it's System76. Clearly Framework is not supporting Linux if there are issues with suspend.
  - dangus 1y ago
    Works on my machine. The problem with System76 is that Lenovo exists. There isn’t much of a real reason to buy a “standard laptop” like system76 over a higher volume OEM like Lenovo. With Framework you’re at least getting the extreme modularity and upgradeability as a major differentiator. But with System76 you’re essentially getting a regular laptop that you could get from any other major brand. You’ll have an easier time getting parts with Lenovo.

homebrewer 1y ago

https://entroware.com https://entroware.com from the UK gets mentioned here and there, but I think they don't do any software development at all, and only repackage OEM laptops.

lhl 1y ago

Slimbook (Spanish OEM) basically sells the same ODM designs as Tuxedo and is an option. They have a few cobranded (KDE etc) versions that contribute to the development teams. Otherwise at this point I believe the Framework laptops have pretty solid Linux support and is a good option if you're ok w/ so-so battery life.

mixmastamyk 1y ago

NovaCustom had a discussion on here recently and uses dasharo coreboot.

atoav 1y ago

I am running a tuxedo since 6 years and I am still happy with it. Had to use their support once to replace the cooling assembly because one of the fan bearings started to ger noisy after 5 years of 24/7 use, the replacement was 100 Euros for the whole copper+heatpipe+two fan assembly. The machine is still outperforming many other machines that exist today and the sceeen is one of the best I have seen (OLED). Software side was smooth sailing as well.