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Dude, you're hiring contractors for temporary work. Of course they have their own businesses! Put someone on your payroll full-time with benefits, paid vacati

Dude, you're hiring contractors for temporary work. Of course they have their own businesses! Put someone on your payroll full-time with benefits, paid vacation and sick leave and then encourage them to start a business on their own time while you pay them full wages. Then you'll have something to crow about.

mightybyte 18y ago
The only information that should come into play when making decisions about the firing of full-time employees should be their actions between the time they start work and end work every day. Your preconceived notions about how an employee's outside activities affect their job will not apply to everyone, and are irrelevant to the question of continuing their employment.
- tom_rath 18y ago
  Find me five examples of where it has worked. Can't be hard if it's true.
  - mightybyte 18y ago
    How mature does their business have to be? Markus Frind (of plentyoffish.com) doesn't have an outside full-time job, but from what I hear he easily could. But the issue is not whether there are examples. The issue is that you shouldn't need to know whether an employee his a business or not. You look at their performance and nothing else. If you're right, their performance will suffer and you have reason to let them go. If you're wrong, you'll never even realize they have a business on the side. However, the converses of these two statements don't hold.
    - nostrademons 18y ago
      Markus Frind had a day job for most of the time he was developing PlentyOfFish - when he's described his development process, he said "Basically every waking moment outside my day job was devoted to improving the site, trying out ideas, and making it better for my users." BTW, between your post and mine up-thread, that's 5 examples. Microsoft, Apple, E-bay, Del.icio.us, and PlentyOfFish.
  - c1sc0 18y ago
    Steve Wozniak, Joshua Schachter, Craig Newmark, Brewster Kahle, Markus Frind
- chollida1 18y ago
  > The only information that should come into play when making decisions about the firing of full-time employees should be their actions between the time they start work and end work every day This just simply isn't true. Imagine if your CFO gets caught with hookers and blow by the cops on a Saturday night. It may not affect his work during work hours but it most definitely negatively affects your company from a PR perspective. So you just can't make a blanket statement like that.
  - mightybyte 18y ago
    I assumed that serious issues such as illegal behavior were obviously excluded from my statement. Your case also applies to the defense industry where disclosure of classified information can land you in jail. I'm talking about clearly legitimate out-of-work activities here.
    - chollida1 18y ago
      > assumed that serious issues such as illegal behavior were obviously excluded from my statement. It wasn't obvious but it sounds like we agree so no harm done:)

mightybyte 18y ago

The only information that should come into play when making decisions about the firing of full-time employees should be their actions between the time they start work and end work every day. Your preconceived notions about how an employee's outside activities affect their job will not apply to everyone, and are irrelevant to the question of continuing their employment.

tom_rath 18y ago
Find me five examples of where it has worked. Can't be hard if it's true.
- mightybyte 18y ago
  How mature does their business have to be? Markus Frind (of plentyoffish.com) doesn't have an outside full-time job, but from what I hear he easily could. But the issue is not whether there are examples. The issue is that you shouldn't need to know whether an employee his a business or not. You look at their performance and nothing else. If you're right, their performance will suffer and you have reason to let them go. If you're wrong, you'll never even realize they have a business on the side. However, the converses of these two statements don't hold.
  - nostrademons 18y ago
    Markus Frind had a day job for most of the time he was developing PlentyOfFish - when he's described his development process, he said "Basically every waking moment outside my day job was devoted to improving the site, trying out ideas, and making it better for my users." BTW, between your post and mine up-thread, that's 5 examples. Microsoft, Apple, E-bay, Del.icio.us, and PlentyOfFish.
- c1sc0 18y ago
  Steve Wozniak, Joshua Schachter, Craig Newmark, Brewster Kahle, Markus Frind
chollida1 18y ago
> The only information that should come into play when making decisions about the firing of full-time employees should be their actions between the time they start work and end work every day This just simply isn't true. Imagine if your CFO gets caught with hookers and blow by the cops on a Saturday night. It may not affect his work during work hours but it most definitely negatively affects your company from a PR perspective. So you just can't make a blanket statement like that.
- mightybyte 18y ago
  I assumed that serious issues such as illegal behavior were obviously excluded from my statement. Your case also applies to the defense industry where disclosure of classified information can land you in jail. I'm talking about clearly legitimate out-of-work activities here.
  - chollida1 18y ago
    > assumed that serious issues such as illegal behavior were obviously excluded from my statement. It wasn't obvious but it sounds like we agree so no harm done:)