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It’s also worth noting that diamonds for jewelry have very little to no used market value or appreciation. Natural diamonds might be worth the premium if they c

It’s also worth noting that diamonds for jewelry have very little to no used market value or appreciation. Natural diamonds might be worth the premium if they could be a store of value like gold, but that isn’t the case. I think that is a clue to the absence of a fair market dynamic.

jfengel 1y ago
So if I wanted to get a used diamond on the cheap, where would I go? Estate sale? Pawn shop? Perhaps to have a jeweller set it in a different setting?
- SoftTalker 1y ago
  Yes to all your questions. Be wary though, especially at pawn shops. Those places are not bastions of integrity.
- milofeynman 1y ago
  You can just order brand new ones from China for even cheaper I imagine. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703472647/saying-i-do-to-lab-grown-diamonds https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703472647/saying-i-do-to-lab-...
  - cluckindan 1y ago
    Just make sure to pay your taxes and avoid decaf coffee, otherwise some college kid is going to buy one for you and install it in your basement porta-potty time machine.
    - ta1243 1y ago
      I learnt a lot about Colonial America from that game
- jbeninger 1y ago
  I bought mine from therealreal.com. I got a lot more ring than I'd normally be able to afford, and it's an elegant design you don't see everywhere. Check with the recipient beforehand, of course. You're not the one who has to wear it, and no amount of logic is going to change a mind that wants a brand new, natural diamond.
herbst 1y ago
This! Buying expensive things can be fun and reasonable. But only if they have an actual worth and aren't just expensive for the sake of. It's so weird a product marketet like this even got any popularity within "normal" people.
olalonde 1y ago
> I think that is a clue to the absence of a fair market dynamic. Also probably due in part to what's been called the best advertising slogan of the 20th century: "A Diamond is Forever" [0]. The implication being that you're not supposed to sell (or buy) a used diamond. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Beers#Marketing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Beers#Marketing
ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
It’s really weird, how popular culture keeps using diamonds as (usually ill-gotten) currency. In reality, they are pretty terrible for the purpose, and I think most people are aware of that. Buying diamonds has always been expensive, but selling them, is another matter, entirely. Also, deBeers invented the diamond wedding ring fairly recently. My mother’s wedding ring was a big-ass sapphire. If you look at classical wedding rings, they are often non-diamond stones.
- lupusreal 1y ago
  I think most of that perception comes from cultural depictions of jewel thieves. If you're stealing the diamonds, not paying for them, then they're a very concealable and conveniently value-dense. It doesn't matter to a jewel thief that the tiny little shard of shiny gravel was originally purchased for many thousands of dollars. What he cares about is he can hide it anywhere and get hundreds of dollars for it. Much better than stealing TVs.
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > Also, deBeers invented the diamond wedding ring fairly recently. The DeBeers campaign that boosted the already significant popularity of diamond engagement rings was in 1947. I don't think diamonds or other gemstones on wedding (as opposed to engagement) rings have ever been a major thing (though I'm sure some people do that.) Tiffany, I think, did a big push a few decades before that did a lot for the popularity of diamond engagement rings among the middle class, and diamond engagement rings had been popular among the upper class since something like the Victorian era.
  - ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
    Thanks for the clarification. As far as I know, diamonds have been a big deal as engagement stones for a long time, but their role as exclusive stones, is pretty recent.
geokon 1y ago
im a bit confused ... how can most people know if the diamond has been "used"? you typically buy jewelry with a diamond in it. the jewler could gave bought it new or pried it out of an old ring. How would you know ? (and why would anyone care?)
- chongli 1y ago
  Jewellery stores have started supplying certificates of pedigree with diamonds they sell. This helps to reassure the customer that the diamond is not second-hand. No one wants to buy used diamonds.
  - dotancohen 1y ago
    > No one wants to buy used diamonds. Why not?
    - thechao 1y ago
      The naturally clamp tightly to the spirits of the dead. Don't wanna be dragging your dead great aunt's ghost the night club.
      - cantor_S_drug 1y ago
        Dude I am breathing dead carbon atoms of Hitler and Einstein. There is no such adverse effects.
        javcasas 1y ago
        You are obviously affected by this ailment called "science-based critical thinking". It is bad (for business) so you should consult an astrologist or a zen furniture arranger to seek remediation.
        mec31 1y ago
        Of course, in your particular case, the Jesus atoms may outnumber the other two. So you’re probably good.
Workaccount2 1y ago
Just yesterday I was joking with friends that I wish I could give my soon to be fiancee a gold ring with a diamond shaped gold nugget in the setting as an engagement ring...

jfengel 1y ago

So if I wanted to get a used diamond on the cheap, where would I go? Estate sale? Pawn shop? Perhaps to have a jeweller set it in a different setting?

SoftTalker 1y ago
Yes to all your questions. Be wary though, especially at pawn shops. Those places are not bastions of integrity.
milofeynman 1y ago
You can just order brand new ones from China for even cheaper I imagine. https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703472647/saying-i-do-to-lab-grown-diamonds https://www.npr.org/2019/03/14/703472647/saying-i-do-to-lab-...
- cluckindan 1y ago
  Just make sure to pay your taxes and avoid decaf coffee, otherwise some college kid is going to buy one for you and install it in your basement porta-potty time machine.
  - ta1243 1y ago
    I learnt a lot about Colonial America from that game
jbeninger 1y ago
I bought mine from therealreal.com. I got a lot more ring than I'd normally be able to afford, and it's an elegant design you don't see everywhere. Check with the recipient beforehand, of course. You're not the one who has to wear it, and no amount of logic is going to change a mind that wants a brand new, natural diamond.

herbst 1y ago

This! Buying expensive things can be fun and reasonable. But only if they have an actual worth and aren't just expensive for the sake of. It's so weird a product marketet like this even got any popularity within "normal" people.

olalonde 1y ago

> I think that is a clue to the absence of a fair market dynamic. Also probably due in part to what's been called the best advertising slogan of the 20th century: "A Diamond is Forever" [0]. The implication being that you're not supposed to sell (or buy) a used diamond. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Beers#Marketing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Beers#Marketing

ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago

It’s really weird, how popular culture keeps using diamonds as (usually ill-gotten) currency. In reality, they are pretty terrible for the purpose, and I think most people are aware of that. Buying diamonds has always been expensive, but selling them, is another matter, entirely. Also, deBeers invented the diamond wedding ring fairly recently. My mother’s wedding ring was a big-ass sapphire. If you look at classical wedding rings, they are often non-diamond stones.

lupusreal 1y ago
I think most of that perception comes from cultural depictions of jewel thieves. If you're stealing the diamonds, not paying for them, then they're a very concealable and conveniently value-dense. It doesn't matter to a jewel thief that the tiny little shard of shiny gravel was originally purchased for many thousands of dollars. What he cares about is he can hide it anywhere and get hundreds of dollars for it. Much better than stealing TVs.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> Also, deBeers invented the diamond wedding ring fairly recently. The DeBeers campaign that boosted the already significant popularity of diamond engagement rings was in 1947. I don't think diamonds or other gemstones on wedding (as opposed to engagement) rings have ever been a major thing (though I'm sure some people do that.) Tiffany, I think, did a big push a few decades before that did a lot for the popularity of diamond engagement rings among the middle class, and diamond engagement rings had been popular among the upper class since something like the Victorian era.
- ChrisMarshallNY 1y ago
  Thanks for the clarification. As far as I know, diamonds have been a big deal as engagement stones for a long time, but their role as exclusive stones, is pretty recent.

geokon 1y ago

im a bit confused ... how can most people know if the diamond has been "used"? you typically buy jewelry with a diamond in it. the jewler could gave bought it new or pried it out of an old ring. How would you know ? (and why would anyone care?)

chongli 1y ago
Jewellery stores have started supplying certificates of pedigree with diamonds they sell. This helps to reassure the customer that the diamond is not second-hand. No one wants to buy used diamonds.
- dotancohen 1y ago
  > No one wants to buy used diamonds. Why not?
  - thechao 1y ago
    The naturally clamp tightly to the spirits of the dead. Don't wanna be dragging your dead great aunt's ghost the night club.
    - cantor_S_drug 1y ago
      Dude I am breathing dead carbon atoms of Hitler and Einstein. There is no such adverse effects.
      - javcasas 1y ago
        You are obviously affected by this ailment called "science-based critical thinking". It is bad (for business) so you should consult an astrologist or a zen furniture arranger to seek remediation.
      - mec31 1y ago
        Of course, in your particular case, the Jesus atoms may outnumber the other two. So you’re probably good.

Workaccount2 1y ago

Just yesterday I was joking with friends that I wish I could give my soon to be fiancee a gold ring with a diamond shaped gold nugget in the setting as an engagement ring...