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> The shoreline is publicly accessible, but parking at the Army’s recreation center requires military ID. There's something poetically sad about this.

Telemakhos 1y ago
I've have never before heard a parking situation described in poetic terms. I might go take a long walk on a beach to ponder that.
- adastra22 1y ago
  "They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."
labster 1y ago
Were used to it in Malibu. The publicly owned shoreline can be reached through the legally mandated passageways, if you can make it through the locked gates and avoid being seen by security.
- natebc 1y ago
  It's the same in ... well at least some of the continental states. Georgia for sure has mandated public access (mostly) and the beaches cannot be privately owned, specifically up to the high watermark. We used to use this to swim over and surf on Sea Island ... much to the chagrin of their rent-a-cops!
- lostlogin 1y ago
  We have a variation on this in New Zealand. Below the high tide line is public land. Good luck getting there.
wildzzz 1y ago
It's basically a small Army base adjacent to most of the beach so that's why you can't park there. There's some public parking at the public access area at the south end. If you owned a house that was up against a private beach, I doubt you'd let people park in your driveway or cut through your yard to access it.
- heavyset_go 1y ago
  > If you owned a house that was up against a private beach, I doubt you'd let people park in your driveway or cut through your yard to access it. There's a concept in common law called the public trust doctrine[1] that we inherited from our British legal lineage that many states incorporate into their handling of beaches. For example, some states hold all beaches in public trusts, and everyone has the right to use them. There being no such thing as "private beaches", although riparian rights can be rented, also means that the public has a right to access those beaches even if private property blocks access. In those cases, the public has both perpendicular and lateral beach access rights, the former meaning you can legally cut across private property to access beaches, the latter meaning that you can walk up and down beaches to access other beaches. That's to say your feelings about people crossing private property don't really matter when it comes legal beach access, Hawaii holds all waters and beaches in public trusts via public trust doctrine that courts have held up for literally centuries. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_trust_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_trust_doctrine
  - antonvs 1y ago
    I thought beach accessibility was federal. Are there states that allow private beaches?
    - heavyset_go 1y ago
      States are allowed to interpret public trust doctrine independently and as a result, apply it differently between states. I'm not aware of any states that have private beaches, but states have different interpretations of, for example, how much dry sand can be accessed by the public if dry sand can be accessed at all.
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Telemakhos 1y ago

I've have never before heard a parking situation described in poetic terms. I might go take a long walk on a beach to ponder that.

adastra22 1y ago
"They paved paradise and put up a parking lot."

labster 1y ago

Were used to it in Malibu. The publicly owned shoreline can be reached through the legally mandated passageways, if you can make it through the locked gates and avoid being seen by security.

natebc 1y ago
It's the same in ... well at least some of the continental states. Georgia for sure has mandated public access (mostly) and the beaches cannot be privately owned, specifically up to the high watermark. We used to use this to swim over and surf on Sea Island ... much to the chagrin of their rent-a-cops!
lostlogin 1y ago
We have a variation on this in New Zealand. Below the high tide line is public land. Good luck getting there.

wildzzz 1y ago

It's basically a small Army base adjacent to most of the beach so that's why you can't park there. There's some public parking at the public access area at the south end. If you owned a house that was up against a private beach, I doubt you'd let people park in your driveway or cut through your yard to access it.

heavyset_go 1y ago
> If you owned a house that was up against a private beach, I doubt you'd let people park in your driveway or cut through your yard to access it. There's a concept in common law called the public trust doctrine[1] that we inherited from our British legal lineage that many states incorporate into their handling of beaches. For example, some states hold all beaches in public trusts, and everyone has the right to use them. There being no such thing as "private beaches", although riparian rights can be rented, also means that the public has a right to access those beaches even if private property blocks access. In those cases, the public has both perpendicular and lateral beach access rights, the former meaning you can legally cut across private property to access beaches, the latter meaning that you can walk up and down beaches to access other beaches. That's to say your feelings about people crossing private property don't really matter when it comes legal beach access, Hawaii holds all waters and beaches in public trusts via public trust doctrine that courts have held up for literally centuries. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_trust_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_trust_doctrine
- antonvs 1y ago
  I thought beach accessibility was federal. Are there states that allow private beaches?
  - heavyset_go 1y ago
    States are allowed to interpret public trust doctrine independently and as a result, apply it differently between states. I'm not aware of any states that have private beaches, but states have different interpretations of, for example, how much dry sand can be accessed by the public if dry sand can be accessed at all.

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