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There was another recent study that made the front page of HN (would have to search to find it) that found two "peaks" of aging, at 44 and 60. As someone in my

There was another recent study that made the front page of HN (would have to search to find it) that found two "peaks" of aging, at 44 and 60. As someone in my late 40s, I certainly identified with that. I was in fairly good shape and feel like, despite some grays and some crows feet, my body was relatively the same from my early 20s to my early 40s. 44 really did hit me like a ton of bricks though - working out got considerably harder, and my face started to show more permanent signs of aging, like loss of facial fat and neck banding. Can't say I was thrilled to later discover I was "right on schedule".

anal_reactor 1y ago
I'm 30. I feel 70. No clue why. I take vitamin supplements, I exercise, I try to sleep, I had basic blood test. Nothing.
- dnissley 1y ago
  How's your diet? Do you get plenty of vegetables? Cruciferous especially. Do you avoid fried foods? Alcohol? Caffeine? Sugar? Consuming enough high quality protein? How's your sleep? Do you avoid eating within a couple hours of bedtime? Are you waking up to pee in the night?
  - anal_reactor 1y ago
    I used to eat a salad every day until recently when I decided I can't be bothered to visit work canteen anymore. They gave shit food but I'd always take an extra big salad of raw vegetables. Recently my diet got worse. I used to love cooking, but now I can't be bothered, so it's instant ramen, milk with buckwheat, or potatoes + egg + bacon + fried vegetables. Not sure what "high-quality protein" is. I had a period when I'd drink a litre of vodka every weekend, but now it's like "one beer to chill after work". Weed is my vice though, I'm stoned every weekend. I try to cut though because the amounts I used to consume now make me tired, so I'm aiming for smaller doses. I try to eliminate caffeine, but I keep learning about new sources of it. It's literally today that I learned just how much caffeine cola has. Sugar is my vice definitely. I cycle every day, so I burn it. When I don't cycle I hit the gym. Sleep... it happens often that I schedule time to sleep, I put away my phone, but then I just don't fall asleep, I just lie there awkwardly in bed. Or I wake up and then can't go back to sleep. I feel like the quality of my sleep isn't there really, which is why I decided to cut caffeine in the first place. But then I sometimes have a streak where I can sleep and function well. One thing is that I tend to get sleepy in the afternoon. If I go to bed and manage to get one full cycle of sleep, I won't feel completely miserable. I don't have big meals before bedtime but often I keep snacking on something. Whether I wake up to pee depends on how much liquid I drink before. I'd say 50/50.
    - SamPatt 1y ago
      I've been where you're at, and speaking frankly, if you don't make some changes, it'll only get worse. It sounds like you're tinkering at the edges but that can only get you so far. Ramen, bacon, beer, cola, weed... Maybe cut back or eliminate those for a few weeks and see how you feel? It's obviously way easier said than done but I can almost guarantee that cleaner living will bring back some of the lost energy, and once you've got more energy it gets a lot easier to get (and stay) on track again. Best of luck.
      - anal_reactor 1y ago
        Seems like I'm doing the journey the other way around. I don't see much point in maintaining healthy lifestyle if the effort of doing so is higher than the reward. If I'm tired either way, then why bother.
        fc417fc802 1y ago
        What you wrote sounds like one extreme to the other. There are alternatives to beer and ramen that don't require extensive cooking. If you really can't muster any motivation at least check the canned food section at the grocery store and consider pairing with a rice cooker. From your other comment the root cause definitely sounds psychological. I'll note that negative health consequences will only exacerbate that if and when they eventually start to accumulate.
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  - rz2k 1y ago
    > Cruciferous especially. Unless it’s gout.
- elcritch 1y ago
  Well stop using body cavities as a reactor would be a good first step. :p More seriously could be signs of depression. I felt way worse when I was depressed. Also could be something like chronic fatigue syndrome too. P.S. get your vitamin-d levels checked. It’s a super common deficiency.
  - anal_reactor 1y ago
    When I think of the joy that I experienced from my body cavity and what "nothing" I feel now... gah. It's like a light gone. I think I've always been low-key depressed but there was always this ray of hope. But now it's dawning upon me "this is it, that's life, take it or leave it" and that's just terrifying and demotivating. I feel like I have to accept that things I wanted so bad just won't happen. And with each passing day my exhaustion keeps getting worse so I feel like the number of things that bring me joy keeps getting smaller.
    - elcritch 1y ago
      Sorry to hear friend. It may seem hopeless but you can change things. If people can hack chatgpt you can hack your rain. ;) Often depression is just that, a sign you need to change something. The what is hard.. Often it's our mindset. Sometimes it's healing old injuries or abuses. Sometimes it's chemical. CBT can really help. Hope you find healing.
- fcpk 1y ago
  Try a keto or even better a carnivore diet. It has been transformative for quite a few people. It doesn't work for all but it is a form of elimination diet, and at least for me, most plants cause me substantial gut & inflammation issues. There's a lot of dogma around "eat plants to feel better", but for some it's the opposite. My guts have completly healed from heavy issues after switching to 99% animal sourced diet(mostly fish, but also clean simple meat)
  - mixmastamyk 1y ago
    I like keto as well but would suggest more veggies and not much meat. There’s other protein choices like nuts, tofu, tempeh, hemp seeds, eggs, etc. Definitely cut sugar down to near nothing. Getting some sun and exercise in the morning helps my mood a lot. Might help.
    - ddorian43 1y ago
      This is reverse. The most potent form of keto is carnivore. By potent I mean there are cases where only carnivore works as a solution or is a better one compared to keto (same % of fat). Highest quality protein & fat is from red ruminant meat.
      - mixmastamyk 1y ago
        What cases? The important part is not the “quality” of protein, which is not important to most people. (Maybe if you’re a pro weightlifter.) The important point is to eliminate excessive carbs in the diet. And might as well do that with as little harm as possible.
        ddorian43 1y ago
        You're incorrect again. Example, you can't do epilepsy-keto with vegan without protein powder. Most/all plants with protein have too much carbs. Plants are subpar nutrition wise compared to red meat especially in keto. The least harmful diet would be carnivore. Source: 2.5+ years ketovore.
- geekraver 1y ago
  Make sure to test you thyroid hormone levels
geoah 1y ago
https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/aug/14/scientists-find-humans-age-dramatically-in-two-bursts-at-44-then-60-aging-not-slow-and-steady https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/aug/14/scie...
bdcravens 1y ago
44 was around the time I started to experience random things hurting for no reason, so that definitely tracks.
kelnos 1y ago
Well, shit, I just turned 44 a few weeks ago. Great, that's what I have to look forward to this year...
- senectus1 1y ago
  I turn 51 this year. I am also in denial. its not just a wet place in egypt.
  - HSO 1y ago
    > its not just a wet place in egypt. Ill be honest, that one took a few secs for me to get it ("whut??") :)))
chasd00 1y ago
I’m 49 and haven’t noticed much. I’m in better shape now than in my 20s and 30s so that could be obscuring things. It does take longer to recover from an all nighter at work than it use to so there’s definitely that.
- collyw 1y ago
  Do you keep physically active? I am a couple of years older. The main thing I notice is that I want more sleep and have trouble getting it.And the grey hair.
  - chasd00 1y ago
    I don’t have a workout regime but I do walk a lot. I have adhd so can only take staring into the abyss of dancing colors (my laptop) for so long. I wfh and there’s a coffee shop and small grocery store that is a 30min walk round trip from my house. I make that walk maybe 2 or 3 times a day. I don’t sleep that well but am working on it. Ever since I had my first kid (15 years ago) the slightest noise or interruption in the middle of the night and I’m 100% awake ready to rock. I was the night duty parent for both kids so that’s where that comes from I assume. In my 20s and early 30s I did a lot of drugs and was blackout drunk two nights per weekend. Having kids and a no nonsense/assertive wife put an end to that with the side effect of dramatically improving my health and career.
teapot7 1y ago
I'm closing in on 62 and I've been saying for a while now that as soon as I turned 60 my body sent me a note saying "That's it - I'm done now. The rest is up to you". I feel validated by this study.

anal_reactor 1y ago

I'm 30. I feel 70. No clue why. I take vitamin supplements, I exercise, I try to sleep, I had basic blood test. Nothing.

dnissley 1y ago
How's your diet? Do you get plenty of vegetables? Cruciferous especially. Do you avoid fried foods? Alcohol? Caffeine? Sugar? Consuming enough high quality protein? How's your sleep? Do you avoid eating within a couple hours of bedtime? Are you waking up to pee in the night?
- anal_reactor 1y ago
  I used to eat a salad every day until recently when I decided I can't be bothered to visit work canteen anymore. They gave shit food but I'd always take an extra big salad of raw vegetables. Recently my diet got worse. I used to love cooking, but now I can't be bothered, so it's instant ramen, milk with buckwheat, or potatoes + egg + bacon + fried vegetables. Not sure what "high-quality protein" is. I had a period when I'd drink a litre of vodka every weekend, but now it's like "one beer to chill after work". Weed is my vice though, I'm stoned every weekend. I try to cut though because the amounts I used to consume now make me tired, so I'm aiming for smaller doses. I try to eliminate caffeine, but I keep learning about new sources of it. It's literally today that I learned just how much caffeine cola has. Sugar is my vice definitely. I cycle every day, so I burn it. When I don't cycle I hit the gym. Sleep... it happens often that I schedule time to sleep, I put away my phone, but then I just don't fall asleep, I just lie there awkwardly in bed. Or I wake up and then can't go back to sleep. I feel like the quality of my sleep isn't there really, which is why I decided to cut caffeine in the first place. But then I sometimes have a streak where I can sleep and function well. One thing is that I tend to get sleepy in the afternoon. If I go to bed and manage to get one full cycle of sleep, I won't feel completely miserable. I don't have big meals before bedtime but often I keep snacking on something. Whether I wake up to pee depends on how much liquid I drink before. I'd say 50/50.
  - SamPatt 1y ago
    I've been where you're at, and speaking frankly, if you don't make some changes, it'll only get worse. It sounds like you're tinkering at the edges but that can only get you so far. Ramen, bacon, beer, cola, weed... Maybe cut back or eliminate those for a few weeks and see how you feel? It's obviously way easier said than done but I can almost guarantee that cleaner living will bring back some of the lost energy, and once you've got more energy it gets a lot easier to get (and stay) on track again. Best of luck.
    - anal_reactor 1y ago
      Seems like I'm doing the journey the other way around. I don't see much point in maintaining healthy lifestyle if the effort of doing so is higher than the reward. If I'm tired either way, then why bother.
      - fc417fc802 1y ago
        What you wrote sounds like one extreme to the other. There are alternatives to beer and ramen that don't require extensive cooking. If you really can't muster any motivation at least check the canned food section at the grocery store and consider pairing with a rice cooker. From your other comment the root cause definitely sounds psychological. I'll note that negative health consequences will only exacerbate that if and when they eventually start to accumulate.
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- rz2k 1y ago
  > Cruciferous especially. Unless it’s gout.
elcritch 1y ago
Well stop using body cavities as a reactor would be a good first step. :p More seriously could be signs of depression. I felt way worse when I was depressed. Also could be something like chronic fatigue syndrome too. P.S. get your vitamin-d levels checked. It’s a super common deficiency.
- anal_reactor 1y ago
  When I think of the joy that I experienced from my body cavity and what "nothing" I feel now... gah. It's like a light gone. I think I've always been low-key depressed but there was always this ray of hope. But now it's dawning upon me "this is it, that's life, take it or leave it" and that's just terrifying and demotivating. I feel like I have to accept that things I wanted so bad just won't happen. And with each passing day my exhaustion keeps getting worse so I feel like the number of things that bring me joy keeps getting smaller.
  - elcritch 1y ago
    Sorry to hear friend. It may seem hopeless but you can change things. If people can hack chatgpt you can hack your rain. ;) Often depression is just that, a sign you need to change something. The what is hard.. Often it's our mindset. Sometimes it's healing old injuries or abuses. Sometimes it's chemical. CBT can really help. Hope you find healing.
fcpk 1y ago
Try a keto or even better a carnivore diet. It has been transformative for quite a few people. It doesn't work for all but it is a form of elimination diet, and at least for me, most plants cause me substantial gut & inflammation issues. There's a lot of dogma around "eat plants to feel better", but for some it's the opposite. My guts have completly healed from heavy issues after switching to 99% animal sourced diet(mostly fish, but also clean simple meat)
- mixmastamyk 1y ago
  I like keto as well but would suggest more veggies and not much meat. There’s other protein choices like nuts, tofu, tempeh, hemp seeds, eggs, etc. Definitely cut sugar down to near nothing. Getting some sun and exercise in the morning helps my mood a lot. Might help.
  - ddorian43 1y ago
    This is reverse. The most potent form of keto is carnivore. By potent I mean there are cases where only carnivore works as a solution or is a better one compared to keto (same % of fat). Highest quality protein & fat is from red ruminant meat.
    - mixmastamyk 1y ago
      What cases? The important part is not the “quality” of protein, which is not important to most people. (Maybe if you’re a pro weightlifter.) The important point is to eliminate excessive carbs in the diet. And might as well do that with as little harm as possible.
      - ddorian43 1y ago
        You're incorrect again. Example, you can't do epilepsy-keto with vegan without protein powder. Most/all plants with protein have too much carbs. Plants are subpar nutrition wise compared to red meat especially in keto. The least harmful diet would be carnivore. Source: 2.5+ years ketovore.
geekraver 1y ago
Make sure to test you thyroid hormone levels

geoah 1y ago

https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/aug/14/scientists-find-humans-age-dramatically-in-two-bursts-at-44-then-60-aging-not-slow-and-steady https://www.theguardian.com/science/article/2024/aug/14/scie...

bdcravens 1y ago

44 was around the time I started to experience random things hurting for no reason, so that definitely tracks.

kelnos 1y ago

Well, shit, I just turned 44 a few weeks ago. Great, that's what I have to look forward to this year...

senectus1 1y ago
I turn 51 this year. I am also in denial. its not just a wet place in egypt.
- HSO 1y ago
  > its not just a wet place in egypt. Ill be honest, that one took a few secs for me to get it ("whut??") :)))

chasd00 1y ago

I’m 49 and haven’t noticed much. I’m in better shape now than in my 20s and 30s so that could be obscuring things. It does take longer to recover from an all nighter at work than it use to so there’s definitely that.

collyw 1y ago
Do you keep physically active? I am a couple of years older. The main thing I notice is that I want more sleep and have trouble getting it.And the grey hair.
- chasd00 1y ago
  I don’t have a workout regime but I do walk a lot. I have adhd so can only take staring into the abyss of dancing colors (my laptop) for so long. I wfh and there’s a coffee shop and small grocery store that is a 30min walk round trip from my house. I make that walk maybe 2 or 3 times a day. I don’t sleep that well but am working on it. Ever since I had my first kid (15 years ago) the slightest noise or interruption in the middle of the night and I’m 100% awake ready to rock. I was the night duty parent for both kids so that’s where that comes from I assume. In my 20s and early 30s I did a lot of drugs and was blackout drunk two nights per weekend. Having kids and a no nonsense/assertive wife put an end to that with the side effect of dramatically improving my health and career.

teapot7 1y ago

I'm closing in on 62 and I've been saying for a while now that as soon as I turned 60 my body sent me a note saying "That's it - I'm done now. The rest is up to you". I feel validated by this study.