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I knew you were all talk and no substance. It took me 10 minutes: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44695878 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44695878

dttze 1y ago
You’re the one using inaccurate data, which even you admit starts skewing towards being a genocide if you don’t just blindly believe Israeli propaganda. I’m happy to admit the data is uncertain. I can then use the words of Israelis, the actions of the IDF, the actions in the West Bank, and the governments attempts to stifle free speech to infer this is in fact a genocide. Oh by the way, which definition of genocide says it has to be a certain number or ratio? This is a completely arbitrary metric you’ve decided to focus on.
- slashdev 1y ago
  Genocide is extremely vague. It requires intentionally killing members of a group just because they're members of a group. It makes no requirement about how many need to be killed - but obviously that matters too. Oct 7th had both intent and the actions - killing Israeli's of all ages just because they were Jews - but it wasn't a genocide because it was mercifully limited in scope. So scale must matter. I would argue it's like porn, you know it when you see it. Rwanda, Armenia, Bosnia, the Holocaust. Censoring information in war, which every country does, is not proof of genocide. Israel is the only country that I am aware of in all of history actually providing food and other essentials to the enemy side during a war. That's not the actions of an entity intent on committing genocide. Without intent, it's not a genocide. You can say they're being cavalier with human life in Gaza, which happens to an extent in every war, but even then the numbers show they're at least acting with some restraint. Again, that rules out genocide. Words mean things, you can't just call a war a genocide because it's violent.
  - mandmandam 1y ago
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  - dttze 1y ago
    The UN has a very clear definition. It isn’t vague, why pretend it is? You’re a clown for saying words mean things and then ignoring the actual definition. They also provide enough aid so that the average Gaza gets less calories than the prisoners in German concentration camps got. So no, they aren’t providing shit.

dttze 1y ago

You’re the one using inaccurate data, which even you admit starts skewing towards being a genocide if you don’t just blindly believe Israeli propaganda. I’m happy to admit the data is uncertain. I can then use the words of Israelis, the actions of the IDF, the actions in the West Bank, and the governments attempts to stifle free speech to infer this is in fact a genocide. Oh by the way, which definition of genocide says it has to be a certain number or ratio? This is a completely arbitrary metric you’ve decided to focus on.

slashdev 1y ago
Genocide is extremely vague. It requires intentionally killing members of a group just because they're members of a group. It makes no requirement about how many need to be killed - but obviously that matters too. Oct 7th had both intent and the actions - killing Israeli's of all ages just because they were Jews - but it wasn't a genocide because it was mercifully limited in scope. So scale must matter. I would argue it's like porn, you know it when you see it. Rwanda, Armenia, Bosnia, the Holocaust. Censoring information in war, which every country does, is not proof of genocide. Israel is the only country that I am aware of in all of history actually providing food and other essentials to the enemy side during a war. That's not the actions of an entity intent on committing genocide. Without intent, it's not a genocide. You can say they're being cavalier with human life in Gaza, which happens to an extent in every war, but even then the numbers show they're at least acting with some restraint. Again, that rules out genocide. Words mean things, you can't just call a war a genocide because it's violent.
- mandmandam 1y ago
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- dttze 1y ago
  The UN has a very clear definition. It isn’t vague, why pretend it is? You’re a clown for saying words mean things and then ignoring the actual definition. They also provide enough aid so that the average Gaza gets less calories than the prisoners in German concentration camps got. So no, they aren’t providing shit.