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The idea that a kid can't play without some tangible end goal of employment is what's gross. Not the activity, or the underlying discipline (engineering, in thi

by nilamo 1y ago

The idea that a kid can't play without some tangible end goal of employment is what's gross. Not the activity, or the underlying discipline (engineering, in this case).

dare944 1y ago
Since such a sentiment was never expressed here, your comment is a non-sequitur.
SR2Z 1y ago
A kid will eventually need a job and it's the opposite of gross for them to turn a childhood hobby into a career. Much more gross to end up doing something they don't like because they never got to try it out...
- ori_b 1y ago
  And after being exposed, deciding they enjoy it, but would rather make a living elsewhere -- does that mean the hobby was a failure? There's nothing wrong with turning something into a career, but turning every action into career chasing is saddening. It's pretty gross to leave kids thinking they can't just enjoy something without juicing it for cash.
  - pests 1y ago
    Yes, and us adults also struggle with this. Look at hustle culture where every hobby is turned into some money making side gig. You like painting? Why isn’t your art on Etsy? Like working out? Become a personal trainer. Make an app for yourself / friends? How you going to monetize or add ads? It’s okay to enjoy hobbies without a profit seeking motive.
  - SR2Z 1y ago
    > And after being exposed, deciding they enjoy it, but would rather make a living elsewhere -- does that mean the hobby was a failure? If they try a hobby for a while and give up on it because they don't enjoy it enough, then yes. That seems like a reasonable definition for "failure." Nothing wrong with failing - in your career, hobbies, relationships, or whatever else. Sometimes EQ means recognizing that you should stop beating a dead horse.
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    - azemetre 1y ago
      Man I agree whole heartedly. Failure is a part of life, embrace it. There is no shame, you'll eventually find something you do enjoy. There's more to life than a career.
  - kortilla 1y ago
    You missed the point, it has nothing to do with careers specifically. It’s that it doesn’t encourage engineering at all, which is why it doesn’t result in engineering careers.

by nilamo 1y ago

The idea that a kid can't play without some tangible end goal of employment is what's gross. Not the activity, or the underlying discipline (engineering, in this case).

dare944 1y ago

Since such a sentiment was never expressed here, your comment is a non-sequitur.

SR2Z 1y ago

A kid will eventually need a job and it's the opposite of gross for them to turn a childhood hobby into a career. Much more gross to end up doing something they don't like because they never got to try it out...

ori_b 1y ago
And after being exposed, deciding they enjoy it, but would rather make a living elsewhere -- does that mean the hobby was a failure? There's nothing wrong with turning something into a career, but turning every action into career chasing is saddening. It's pretty gross to leave kids thinking they can't just enjoy something without juicing it for cash.
- pests 1y ago
  Yes, and us adults also struggle with this. Look at hustle culture where every hobby is turned into some money making side gig. You like painting? Why isn’t your art on Etsy? Like working out? Become a personal trainer. Make an app for yourself / friends? How you going to monetize or add ads? It’s okay to enjoy hobbies without a profit seeking motive.
- SR2Z 1y ago
  > And after being exposed, deciding they enjoy it, but would rather make a living elsewhere -- does that mean the hobby was a failure? If they try a hobby for a while and give up on it because they don't enjoy it enough, then yes. That seems like a reasonable definition for "failure." Nothing wrong with failing - in your career, hobbies, relationships, or whatever else. Sometimes EQ means recognizing that you should stop beating a dead horse.
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  - azemetre 1y ago
    Man I agree whole heartedly. Failure is a part of life, embrace it. There is no shame, you'll eventually find something you do enjoy. There's more to life than a career.
- kortilla 1y ago
  You missed the point, it has nothing to do with careers specifically. It’s that it doesn’t encourage engineering at all, which is why it doesn’t result in engineering careers.