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I prefer having as few apps as possible so using the web is my go-to i dont have reddit, on my phone for example. Also, all those app icons are just "adverti

I prefer having as few apps as possible so using the web is my go-to i dont have reddit, on my phone for example. Also, all those app icons are just "advertisement" every time you look at your phone screen... i dont need that. if you REQUIRE me to use an app, then i'm only using it if i absolutely have to. (there's almost always an alternative)

xxr 1y ago
>app icons are just "advertisement" You wouldn't believe the volume of actual advertisements that show up as push notifications on my wife's phone
- Mengkudulangsat 1y ago
  These are so infuriating they should be illegal. Especially when they come from apps you can't delete like your bannking app.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    At least Apple has a rule against push spam, which they toe the line on but it's still a lot less bad than it could be.
    - paulddraper 1y ago
      Hasn’t seemed to work…
    - xxr 1y ago
      Does it work the way CAN-SPAM is supposed to work (marketing can be unsubscribed from with rules about what constitutes "transactional" messages)?
      - frollogaston 1y ago
        Kinda """Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges."""
    - sdf4j 1y ago
      not having a way to divide notification channels, transactional vs promotional, make it worse than android.
      - frollogaston 1y ago
        Explicitly promotional push isn't allowed on iPhone to begin with. Only exception is if the user enables it via some setting inside your app, separate from the regular permission dialog, which is really unlikely. Of course you can just pass off promotional stuff as not promotional, but same on Android, and you have to be sly about it.
        BobaFloutist 1y ago
        >Only exception is if the user enables it via some setting inside your app Or if Apple has a movie they really really want to promote
        frollogaston 1y ago
        Haha true, or better yet a U2 album
    - deleted 1y ago
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- userbinator 1y ago
  At least relatively recent versions of Android let you turn off notifications per-app: https://support.google.com/android/answer/9079661?hl=en https://support.google.com/android/answer/9079661?hl=en
  - flkiwi 1y ago
    Which is nice, but when the offender is, say, a security device that sends event notification but ALSO sends marketing spam, with no granular control over types of notifications, it's not a great situation.
    - thomasfortes 1y ago
      Android has granular control over notifications, which is great because some apps that I need send a lot of marketing notifications that I don't care about but I cannot get rid of essential notifications. Not all apps do it and some push all notifications through a single channel (and some manufacturers hide the granularity options in advanced settings, I'm looking at you Samsung) but at least it exists.
      - flkiwi 1y ago
        iOS is the same, though I’ve found that the truly granular control depends on the vendor exposing the control in the app. Scummy companies—most of them—make notifications all or nothing. It’s not JUST marketing either. I don’t want to be interrupted with a reminder to check my lint filter. I do that literally every time I change the laundry. But I can’t disable that pointless alert without disabling ALL alerts (and you can rightly question whether any alerts from a dryer have value, but that’s a different discussion).
  - ajsnigrutin 1y ago
    Even better, apps have to ask you for permission to even show notifications! Game? Doesn't need notfications, deny, done!
- AaronAPU 1y ago
  These things only exist because some people just allow it. They allow it and occasionally buy something, enabling the entire hellhole we now all live in.
  - RamblingCTO 1y ago
    These things exist because companies and the people working there are predatory assholes. Let's not make the victims to be the villains and get off your high horse. Most people don't even know how.
    - cindyllm 1y ago
      [dead]
nikodunk 1y ago
I also hate obligatory mobile apps, especially when they’re linked to hardware: At the battery company I work for - pilaenergy - we’re aware that our hardware may well outlive our software, so we’re providing a mobile app that’s accessible over an WiFi access point or over your local WiFi, as well as the traditional mobile apps. This way - the software comes bundled with the hardware and can’t be sunset. Something that has long been an issue with IoT products.
BrtByte 1y ago
Totally with you on this. Every extra app feels like mental clutter

xxr 1y ago

>app icons are just "advertisement" You wouldn't believe the volume of actual advertisements that show up as push notifications on my wife's phone

Mengkudulangsat 1y ago
These are so infuriating they should be illegal. Especially when they come from apps you can't delete like your bannking app.
- frollogaston 1y ago
  At least Apple has a rule against push spam, which they toe the line on but it's still a lot less bad than it could be.
  - paulddraper 1y ago
    Hasn’t seemed to work…
  - xxr 1y ago
    Does it work the way CAN-SPAM is supposed to work (marketing can be unsubscribed from with rules about what constitutes "transactional" messages)?
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      Kinda """Push Notifications must not be required for the app to function, and should not be used to send sensitive personal or confidential information. Push Notifications should not be used for promotions or direct marketing purposes unless customers have explicitly opted in to receive them via consent language displayed in your app’s UI, and you provide a method in your app for a user to opt out from receiving such messages. Abuse of these services may result in revocation of your privileges."""
  - sdf4j 1y ago
    not having a way to divide notification channels, transactional vs promotional, make it worse than android.
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      Explicitly promotional push isn't allowed on iPhone to begin with. Only exception is if the user enables it via some setting inside your app, separate from the regular permission dialog, which is really unlikely. Of course you can just pass off promotional stuff as not promotional, but same on Android, and you have to be sly about it.
      - BobaFloutist 1y ago
        >Only exception is if the user enables it via some setting inside your app Or if Apple has a movie they really really want to promote
        frollogaston 1y ago
        Haha true, or better yet a U2 album
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
userbinator 1y ago
At least relatively recent versions of Android let you turn off notifications per-app: https://support.google.com/android/answer/9079661?hl=en https://support.google.com/android/answer/9079661?hl=en
- flkiwi 1y ago
  Which is nice, but when the offender is, say, a security device that sends event notification but ALSO sends marketing spam, with no granular control over types of notifications, it's not a great situation.
  - thomasfortes 1y ago
    Android has granular control over notifications, which is great because some apps that I need send a lot of marketing notifications that I don't care about but I cannot get rid of essential notifications. Not all apps do it and some push all notifications through a single channel (and some manufacturers hide the granularity options in advanced settings, I'm looking at you Samsung) but at least it exists.
    - flkiwi 1y ago
      iOS is the same, though I’ve found that the truly granular control depends on the vendor exposing the control in the app. Scummy companies—most of them—make notifications all or nothing. It’s not JUST marketing either. I don’t want to be interrupted with a reminder to check my lint filter. I do that literally every time I change the laundry. But I can’t disable that pointless alert without disabling ALL alerts (and you can rightly question whether any alerts from a dryer have value, but that’s a different discussion).
- ajsnigrutin 1y ago
  Even better, apps have to ask you for permission to even show notifications! Game? Doesn't need notfications, deny, done!
AaronAPU 1y ago
These things only exist because some people just allow it. They allow it and occasionally buy something, enabling the entire hellhole we now all live in.
- RamblingCTO 1y ago
  These things exist because companies and the people working there are predatory assholes. Let's not make the victims to be the villains and get off your high horse. Most people don't even know how.
  - cindyllm 1y ago
    [dead]

nikodunk 1y ago

I also hate obligatory mobile apps, especially when they’re linked to hardware: At the battery company I work for - pilaenergy - we’re aware that our hardware may well outlive our software, so we’re providing a mobile app that’s accessible over an WiFi access point or over your local WiFi, as well as the traditional mobile apps. This way - the software comes bundled with the hardware and can’t be sunset. Something that has long been an issue with IoT products.

BrtByte 1y ago

Totally with you on this. Every extra app feels like mental clutter