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This is absolutely a wedge to censor LGBTQ+ content. If you can separately argue that adult content should be blocked and LGBTQ+ themes are for adults, then you

This is absolutely a wedge to censor LGBTQ+ content. If you can separately argue that adult content should be blocked and LGBTQ+ themes are for adults, then you can block queer content online en masse. Visa and Mastercard have too much power, and are too willing to capitulate.

Tadpole9181 1y ago
The group responsible also want to ban Detroit: Become Human, for context. That game advocates staunchly for civil rights and the autonomy of women, children, and other minorities. The Holocaust allegory is so on the nose you can't even call it veiled. It says domestic abuse is unforgivably, undeniably wrong. They don't even care about marginalized groups or even women themselves. Any piece of content that gives them the heeby jeebies, any media that has conflict: banned. Doesn't matter if it even supports their purported agenda.
- adamrezich 1y ago
  This is why it is so tiring to see everyone reduce what is happening here to “they're trying to ban [specific thing I care about]!” rather than take the objective facts of the situation in total.
gxt 1y ago
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rustystump 1y ago
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- nulld3v 1y ago
  LGBTQ+ treats incest no differently than how everyone else treats it. It's still generally taboo, and since it's not a sexual minority suffering from unjust persecution/discrimination, it is not offered any special protections.
  - AraceliHarker 1y ago
    Incest is condemned largely because it often takes the form of rape due to power imbalances.
- Nasrudith 1y ago
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  - rustystump 1y ago
    Let’s take a step back from political knee jerk reactions and look at the nuance. Say 50% of the queer content on itch is innocuous dating sim games much which may not have any pornographic images at all. There is another chunk, idk the amount, that is clearly not nice and what dishonest groups bundle that 50% into. There is seemingly little interest even acknowledging that other chunk of content as being a problem though. I dont want queer dating sims to be banned but they are gonna be if no one is honest about what shows up next to them in places where they exist.
    - healsdata 1y ago
      What data or evidence do you have to suggest that there's a significantly larger amount pornographic LGBT content than there is pornographic straight content on these sites? Why does an LGBT creator that makes a game exploring how the Matrix is a transgender allegory have to actively distance themselves from bisexual dating simulators when I don't recall seeing anything from "Enter the Matrix" distancing themselves from straight anime girl dating simulators?
      - rustystump 1y ago
        Sigh. You completely miss the point. Oh well. For what it is worth, i am against banning innocuous queer content. Cheers.
        furgot 1y ago
        That's a lazy and intellectually dishonest way of responding to criticism of your ideas. You made a claim and were asked for evidence. It's your choice whether or not you provide it, but you were in fact understood, and to pretend otherwise is dishonest.
- BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
  No, nobody likes incest porn and most want to ban it, which is why it’s a smart strategy as a person who wants to censor things most people don’t find disagreeable to take actions against incest porn which conveniently just so happen to also affect lgbt stuff.
tempaccountabcd 1y ago
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SirChud 1y ago
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benrutter 1y ago
Yes, I think this is 100% the take we should come away with. I don't have strong feelings around wether steam or itch sell adult content, but its the fact that a duopoly and using their power to exert political influence.
Grustaf 1y ago
Is there any indication or reason why they would want to block LGBTQ+ content? Haven't both companies been very vocal supporters of LGBTQ+ in the past?
- yetihehe 1y ago
  It's like those game companies, that support lgbt and donate to gay mental health foundations, but will block you when you mention some gay words in chat, because they are child friendly. I always found the hypocrisy funny. Then their auto-translate feature will routinely consistently swap pronouns to opposite.
- jajuuka 1y ago
  Companies are not moral entities. They will go whichever way the wind blows. Right now it's more profitable and avoid being singled out by the current US admin to not vocally support LGBT. We saw this during pride month this year where most major companies either pulled their support or were not vocal at all. We've seen plenty of companies drop "DEI" policies to curry favor with the admin as well. If a group this small can get Visa/Mastercard to hand out ultimatums, then it's not that far of a jump for the same group or another who is against LGBT to recontextualize LGBT as something sexual or something targeting children. We've already seen this rhetoric from the current admin.

Tadpole9181 1y ago

The group responsible also want to ban Detroit: Become Human, for context. That game advocates staunchly for civil rights and the autonomy of women, children, and other minorities. The Holocaust allegory is so on the nose you can't even call it veiled. It says domestic abuse is unforgivably, undeniably wrong. They don't even care about marginalized groups or even women themselves. Any piece of content that gives them the heeby jeebies, any media that has conflict: banned. Doesn't matter if it even supports their purported agenda.

adamrezich 1y ago
This is why it is so tiring to see everyone reduce what is happening here to “they're trying to ban [specific thing I care about]!” rather than take the objective facts of the situation in total.

gxt 1y ago

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rustystump 1y ago

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nulld3v 1y ago
LGBTQ+ treats incest no differently than how everyone else treats it. It's still generally taboo, and since it's not a sexual minority suffering from unjust persecution/discrimination, it is not offered any special protections.
- AraceliHarker 1y ago
  Incest is condemned largely because it often takes the form of rape due to power imbalances.
Nasrudith 1y ago
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- rustystump 1y ago
  Let’s take a step back from political knee jerk reactions and look at the nuance. Say 50% of the queer content on itch is innocuous dating sim games much which may not have any pornographic images at all. There is another chunk, idk the amount, that is clearly not nice and what dishonest groups bundle that 50% into. There is seemingly little interest even acknowledging that other chunk of content as being a problem though. I dont want queer dating sims to be banned but they are gonna be if no one is honest about what shows up next to them in places where they exist.
  - healsdata 1y ago
    What data or evidence do you have to suggest that there's a significantly larger amount pornographic LGBT content than there is pornographic straight content on these sites? Why does an LGBT creator that makes a game exploring how the Matrix is a transgender allegory have to actively distance themselves from bisexual dating simulators when I don't recall seeing anything from "Enter the Matrix" distancing themselves from straight anime girl dating simulators?
    - rustystump 1y ago
      Sigh. You completely miss the point. Oh well. For what it is worth, i am against banning innocuous queer content. Cheers.
      - furgot 1y ago
        That's a lazy and intellectually dishonest way of responding to criticism of your ideas. You made a claim and were asked for evidence. It's your choice whether or not you provide it, but you were in fact understood, and to pretend otherwise is dishonest.
BriggyDwiggs42 1y ago
No, nobody likes incest porn and most want to ban it, which is why it’s a smart strategy as a person who wants to censor things most people don’t find disagreeable to take actions against incest porn which conveniently just so happen to also affect lgbt stuff.

tempaccountabcd 1y ago

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SirChud 1y ago

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benrutter 1y ago

Yes, I think this is 100% the take we should come away with. I don't have strong feelings around wether steam or itch sell adult content, but its the fact that a duopoly and using their power to exert political influence.

Grustaf 1y ago

Is there any indication or reason why they would want to block LGBTQ+ content? Haven't both companies been very vocal supporters of LGBTQ+ in the past?

yetihehe 1y ago
It's like those game companies, that support lgbt and donate to gay mental health foundations, but will block you when you mention some gay words in chat, because they are child friendly. I always found the hypocrisy funny. Then their auto-translate feature will routinely consistently swap pronouns to opposite.
jajuuka 1y ago
Companies are not moral entities. They will go whichever way the wind blows. Right now it's more profitable and avoid being singled out by the current US admin to not vocally support LGBT. We saw this during pride month this year where most major companies either pulled their support or were not vocal at all. We've seen plenty of companies drop "DEI" policies to curry favor with the admin as well. If a group this small can get Visa/Mastercard to hand out ultimatums, then it's not that far of a jump for the same group or another who is against LGBT to recontextualize LGBT as something sexual or something targeting children. We've already seen this rhetoric from the current admin.