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>Is it possible that Canonical is actually moving away from Gnome and taking things in-house to avoid exactly the problems that Miguel de Icaza is underlining?

>Is it possible that Canonical is actually moving away from Gnome and taking things in-house to avoid exactly the problems that Miguel de Icaza is underlining? I do think this is part of it though they probably wouldn't say it way. They certainly do want a consistent user experience - and they want one that rivals OS X. I don't understand why people complain about using software they haven't learned how to use yet. It all takes some getting used to for a new user, including OS X. Now I can definitely understand the frustration though of someone who just upgraded their OS only to find they don't know how to use it anymore.

willvarfar 14y ago
> I don't understand why people complain about using software they haven't learned how to use yet. you shouldn't have to learn how to use the desktop! I tried out Unity, I really did. I didn't like it and my apps kept getting lost when minimized and I couldn't have lots of small windows open and it just fixed something that wasn't broken for me. Like everyone else, I went to Xfce.
- lifeisstillgood 14y ago
  But you do have to learn how to use a desktop. You even spent sometime learning how to use a mouse. I use xfce on my main machine and unity on the oops I need skype machine and I hate the switch, but that's because I have not invested time to use it well - and chances Are I probably won't, just like I won't learn the annoying parts of OSX desktops are a tool like any other - the mentality that they should be intuitive or easy leads down the path of eye candy as opposed to functionlity.
  - elviejo 14y ago
    when you learn to drive a car.... you can drive almost all cars... the biggest difference is with the manual o automatic gears.... when you learn to use a computer you should be able to use many of them whithout having to learn anything.
    - jeremyjh 14y ago
      A car does one job. A computer does many jobs. Learning to do each job a little differently, adds up to a lot of learning. I don't know what "you should" has to do with it - I'm just pointing out that for all desktops that currently exist, you have to learn how to use it.
  - willvarfar 14y ago
    (a link you may like, from my blog: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/19500788060/my-tech-savvy-generation http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/19500788060/my-te... )
- jeremyjh 14y ago
  So you are going to make the claim that xfce does not require learning? Or just it doesn't require learning if you already knew gnome, or what? Because no learning is a pretty strong claim...
raverbashing 14y ago
Yes, I agree, but they're going the same path as Gnome, the "we know better" "one that rivals OSX" what a joke. Windows XP is a better rival to OSX than Unity.
- macco 14y ago
  Actually I think it is the other way 'round. OS X has preatty lousy UE by default.
da_n 14y ago
People complain about such software because we live in a world where there is no such thing as a Computer Driving Licence. Many users are perfectly fine to live in as much ignorance as possible, and are actually quite afraid of traditional computers. These users can easily be spotted at a glance on both Windows and Mac as they invariably use their desktop as a horrifically chaotic filesystem, never delving deeper, and the internet is essentially Facebook.
- brokenparser 14y ago
  Actually it does exist: http://www.ecdl.com/ http://www.ecdl.com/ The world is not better off with this, as it merely teaches people how to use MS-Windows and MS-Office. It doesn't go into any detail at all how a computer really works.
  - da_n 14y ago
    Wow, you learn something new every day! My thinking was more akin to a real life driving license, a mandatory thing you would need before being allowed on a computer unsupervised etc. Thanks for enlightening me though!

willvarfar 14y ago

> I don't understand why people complain about using software they haven't learned how to use yet. you shouldn't have to learn how to use the desktop! I tried out Unity, I really did. I didn't like it and my apps kept getting lost when minimized and I couldn't have lots of small windows open and it just fixed something that wasn't broken for me. Like everyone else, I went to Xfce.

lifeisstillgood 14y ago
But you do have to learn how to use a desktop. You even spent sometime learning how to use a mouse. I use xfce on my main machine and unity on the oops I need skype machine and I hate the switch, but that's because I have not invested time to use it well - and chances Are I probably won't, just like I won't learn the annoying parts of OSX desktops are a tool like any other - the mentality that they should be intuitive or easy leads down the path of eye candy as opposed to functionlity.
- elviejo 14y ago
  when you learn to drive a car.... you can drive almost all cars... the biggest difference is with the manual o automatic gears.... when you learn to use a computer you should be able to use many of them whithout having to learn anything.
  - jeremyjh 14y ago
    A car does one job. A computer does many jobs. Learning to do each job a little differently, adds up to a lot of learning. I don't know what "you should" has to do with it - I'm just pointing out that for all desktops that currently exist, you have to learn how to use it.
- willvarfar 14y ago
  (a link you may like, from my blog: http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/19500788060/my-tech-savvy-generation http://williamedwardscoder.tumblr.com/post/19500788060/my-te... )
jeremyjh 14y ago
So you are going to make the claim that xfce does not require learning? Or just it doesn't require learning if you already knew gnome, or what? Because no learning is a pretty strong claim...

raverbashing 14y ago

Yes, I agree, but they're going the same path as Gnome, the "we know better" "one that rivals OSX" what a joke. Windows XP is a better rival to OSX than Unity.

macco 14y ago
Actually I think it is the other way 'round. OS X has preatty lousy UE by default.

da_n 14y ago

People complain about such software because we live in a world where there is no such thing as a Computer Driving Licence. Many users are perfectly fine to live in as much ignorance as possible, and are actually quite afraid of traditional computers. These users can easily be spotted at a glance on both Windows and Mac as they invariably use their desktop as a horrifically chaotic filesystem, never delving deeper, and the internet is essentially Facebook.

brokenparser 14y ago
Actually it does exist: http://www.ecdl.com/ http://www.ecdl.com/ The world is not better off with this, as it merely teaches people how to use MS-Windows and MS-Office. It doesn't go into any detail at all how a computer really works.
- da_n 14y ago
  Wow, you learn something new every day! My thinking was more akin to a real life driving license, a mandatory thing you would need before being allowed on a computer unsupervised etc. Thanks for enlightening me though!